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On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:33:33 PM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:29:04 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:14:46 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:08:08 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:13:48 PM UTC-4,
Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:44:37 AM
UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 1:48:47 PM
UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
More Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> I was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> well-written, in my opinion. Here`s a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here
is a review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-arc
hives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Dreamgirls with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Dockery, [P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Review: First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman
is only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for
sale" copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which
he details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back
in the early 1980`s minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
`minicomic for a quarter` concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind
the envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
reader`s hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then
the price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
difficult for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a
quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
minicomics to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his
poetry and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983!
32 pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Dreamgirls with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
separate title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two
merged. Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
hybrid-title remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Dreamgirls with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
schedule. This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Dockery never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue,
although the art and poems in it didn`t actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Perhaps later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
poems that couldn`t exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such
is the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
of Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery`s bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover.
Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
whole school of `bizarro` artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Wilson, Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as
odd in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state
line that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and,
often, both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
oddball gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here,
on the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
no pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
directing a host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance,
with cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
peace signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
assemblage loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs
of lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
district attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Meantime, Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he`s
down on his luck. He`d be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
(perhaps unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
yuppified section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery`s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
surroundings, the mansion he`s living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
also been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Dockery`s toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call
how he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I
suppose you don`t just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
dockery: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
dockery: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
dockery: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Dockery has learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
the mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
firelight and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Wouldn`t you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
company in such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was
quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
well-written, in my opinion. Here`s a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
"There`s a spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
all the worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big
enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they
only appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
eight the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when
we`ve got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
styrofoam coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We`ve
never seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it`s a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
she`s red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she
tells fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her
name means `worthy of being loved`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her
bite is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she
seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On
the back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix
by John Jones. He`s been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
I was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80`s). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine
they have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
perhaps born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one
ever be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan`s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will
Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
wondering, with regard to Dockery`s comics, and Jones`, and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Wilson`s and Horn`s, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way
it could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once
you develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
becomes quite addictive. It`s strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
`makes no sense` to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of
your preconceptions of what art `should` and, indeed, `must` be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
find yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
human, mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there
is a whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
all dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite
interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how young?
and for how long? and how did it end?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know i did
one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the
hotter..... :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a
forging troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is all...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The skip and
ignore policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore
and report works well... don`t *always* follow that guidelin
> > > > >
> > > > > > Good morning again, Jordy, great to see a friendly face here today
> > > > >
> > > > > hola Will
> > > >
> > > > Hello there my friend.
> > > Shalom Will
> > Hello there Jordy, once a week in Barfield`s English class he
had a "think on your feet day" where each student would stand in front
of the class and Barfield would toss a topic at them. Excellent
education from that guy.
> >
>
> no wonder you excelled then, the way you are good at rapping
off the top of your head.
>
> my friend natalie can do that, too. she surprised me once, it
just came out of the blue, that she felt inspired to do that. it was
really impressive, same as your stuff, will, that you have shared with
aapc.
>
> she`s highly verbal, having worked at an encyclopedia in her
younger years, and being a voracious reader. but sometimes she uses a word
in an inappropriate context, and i get a little embarrassed. sometimes
she uses good sounding words i don`t know, though, so it evens out.
(more in my favor, but whatever). shows she`s trying, she really likes
words, too, apparently.
Yes, it was a good start.
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