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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:14:46 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:08:08 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:13:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:44:37 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 1:48:47 PM UTC-4,
Faraway Star wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More
Dan Barfield poetry from Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
was quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
well-written, in my opinion. Here`s a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.zines/c/5h6FlXRC1Lw/m/l4hS6v36fUoJ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
remember this one well. 1997 was a great year for local art and poetry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a
review of that poetry chapbook from the 1997 days of yore:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://alt.zines.narkive.com/z8pOq2CQ/shadowville-1996-zine-review-found-in-arc
hives
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
***************************** ZINE REVIEWS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by holy joe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls
with Shaman, No. 54, $1.00. Minicomic, 32 pages. Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery,
[P.O.Box 7394, Columbus GA 31908].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Review:
First, the truth. My review copy of Dreamgirls with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shaman is
only eight pages in length. However, Dockery has prepared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "for sale"
copies that are 32 pages long. I misplaced the letter in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he
details exactly what these issues consist of, but they are the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue
reviewed (below) plus extra issues, all bundled into a generous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > package of poems and comics.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in
the early 1980`s minicomic-maker Matt Feazell pioneered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
`minicomic for a quarter` concept. A stamp cost 22 cents (never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind the
envelope), but somehow the whole thing could arrive in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader`s
hands for a quarter. Many of us, including myself, were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspired to labor in this genre.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the
price of a stamp rose to 25 cents. It became rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult
for a publisher like myself to sell an eight-page minicomic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a
quarter. Some minicomic publishers raised the price of their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minicomics
to 50 cents. In doing so, they raised the page count of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their minicomics to 16 pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
tradition continues. Charging $1.00, Dockery is offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his poetry
and comics for the same price he would have charged you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983! 32
pages for $1.00, which works out to 25 cents for every eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls
with Shaman is a long-running title dating back to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
previous decade. Originally it was titled Shaman. There was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate
title (by me) called Naughty Naked Dreamgirls. Eventually the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two merged.
Now the two have parted company. For the moment the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid-title
remains, perhaps to adorn future issues, perhaps not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamgirls
with Shaman is currently on an annual publication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule.
This is the new issue. It is for the year 1997 but, since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery
never made an issue in 1996, it could be considered the 1996
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue,
although the art and poems in it didn`t actually exist in 1996.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps
later Dockery will put out an official 1996 issue containing art
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and poems
that couldn`t exist in 1996, because they were created in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1997.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such is
the way of small press publishing. The cover of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of
Shaman (with Dreamgirls) features Dockery`s bizarre art on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cover.
Worrisomely close to Florida, home of Mike Diana, there resides
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a whole
school of `bizarro` artists. Will Dockery, Dan Barfield, P.D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson,
Carol Horn, and others. This loosely-knit community of artists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as odd
in geography as it is in its artistic visions. It spans the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state line
that divides Georgia from Alabama, populating both states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, often,
both states at once in the same day. It produces such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oddball
gems as the current cover of Shaman.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, on
the cover, we see a beak-faced man. He wears a hat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no
pants. He has a visible pair of testicles and he appears to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directing a
host of girls with a baton-sized penis. The girls, as they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dance, with
cunts and breasts on display, sprinkle dollar bills, hearts,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and peace
signs across the cover. Above this weird male/female
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assemblage
loom two heads. Each head contains only one eye but two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pairs of
lips. Certainly this is a cover worth the notice of a Florida
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > district
attorney. Perhaps this $1.00 comic can spawn a $100,000 trial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime,
Dockery will eagerly accept your dollar. Currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he`s down
on his luck. He`d be homeless, but an absent in-law has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (perhaps
unwittingly) permitted him to live in a vacant mansion in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yuppified
section of town. Despite the wealth of Dockery`s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
surroundings, the mansion he`s living in has no electricity. The water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has also
been cut off. Hence, the grounds of the mansion have become
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery`s
toilet. I asked him recently in a (self-funded) telephone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > call how
he managed to relieve himself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: I
suppose you don`t just hold it?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery:
No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery:
Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me: How about to poop?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dockery:
For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hole and cover it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dockery has
learned to cook food over a fire, in the fireplace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the
mansion. This, I admit, sounded pretty great, living by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firelight
and candlelight in a mansion, eating food cooked over a fire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn`t
you know, of course, Dockery even has a girlfriend to keep him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company in
such circumstances. And, together, they make art.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was
quite impressed by this issue. The poems were quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
well-written, in my opinion. Here`s a sampling:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan Barfield:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The earth runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through my veins
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deep and black
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient memories
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...I am the reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fear the darkness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkness"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lisa Scarboro:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words shared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among friends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...voice after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voice echoes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like feelings"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rick Duffey:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There`s a
spider in our warehouse somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who keeps making webs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all the
worst places & she does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > webs of immense size
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigger than pillow cases
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big enough to capture chess pieces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they only
appear after five in the evening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & eight
the next morning, punched in,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when we`ve got sleep under our lids
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & sip at the cooled edges of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > styrofoam
coffee we always discover them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We`ve never
seen this spider in person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but opinions abound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it`s a big one says Mike...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & she`s
red with yellow stripes--her name is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably Amanda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I say)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she tells
fortunes to the other spiders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her name
means `worthy of being loved`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her bite
is poisonous with no puncture marks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she seeks out the crevasses of skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attracted by the warmth
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your body
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch an itch there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only if you must"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the
back page of this minicomic I was delighted to see new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comix by
John Jones. He`s been drawing his Retros comix for years. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first I
was fairly dismissive of them (back in the 80`s). But like fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wine they
have grown on me. I have a deep appreciation for them now,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps
born of their intrinsic merit, perhaps born of nostalgia. Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one ever
be sure about such things? I feel nostalgia for Gilligan`s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Island too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will
Dockery produces a similar line of comix (not present in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
issue), titled Demon House Theatre. Suddenly I find myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering,
with regard to Dockery`s comics, and Jones`, and even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilson`s
and Horn`s, "Has all their work been saved?" "Is there some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way it
could be collected and displayed?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you
develop an appreciation for what they are creating it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes
quite addictive. It`s strange art, visual poetry, really, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it `makes
no sense` to the DC and Marvel-trained eye. But once you let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go of your
preconceptions of what art `should` and, indeed, `must` be,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you find
yourself in a new realm. Their art is unique; a strange blend
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human,
mystical, and even superheroic creatures. And, like I said,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a
whole school of them, all cross-pollinating each other, all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living in the same locale.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all
dangerously close to Disneyfied Florida. *************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite
interesting piece of small press history...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed and
when xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begone, forging fool...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how young? and for
how long? and how did it end?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know i did
one-night stands at age 13 with older young men...it was hot. the older the
hotter..... :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a forging
troll, Rachel, pay him no mind...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is all...!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The skip and ignore
policy is probably the best move here, actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, skip, ignore and
report works well... don`t *always* follow that guidelin
> > >
> > > > Good morning again, Jordy, great to see a friendly face here today
> > >
> > > hola Will
> >
> > Hello there my friend.
> Shalom Will
Good evening my friend, great to see you again here tonight.
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