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On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:26:24 PM UTC-5, Ron Dean wrote:
> JWS wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:47:01 AM UTC-5, Ron Dean wrote:
> >> JWS wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 3:59:28 AM UTC-5, Andrew wrote:
> >>>> "Ron Dean" wrote in message news:JhIRM.42768$
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Something rarely seen on evolution sites, and virtually unknown to the
> >>>>> general public is the fact that DNA has its own detect
(called Proofreading) and
> >>>>> self repair mechanisms that detect and repair virtually all
mutations. A few
> >>>>> defective mutatins seen in genetic diseases and handicapped
individuals. But after 200,000
> >>>>> years Aon mans esistence, no doubt the DNAs proofreading
and repair protein
> >>>>> machines have undergone change due to increasing entropy.
There are 4 known DNA
> >>>>> repair systems.
> >>>> It there any logic in saying that evolution created these proof
> >>>> reading repair systems that prevent evolution from happening?
> >>>>
> >>>> No, only a fool would think such a foolish thing!
> >>>>> Deliberate purposeful design is the most logical and rational
> >>>>> explanation as to the origin of DNA self proofreading and self
> >>>>> repair mechanisms.
> >>>> That is the ONLY logical and rational
> >>>> explanation. Did you hear that folks?
> >>>>
> >>>> The ~ONLY POSSIBLE~explanation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Case settled for those looking for the
> >>>> truth.
> >>> The repair mechanisms for DNA come into play
> >>> during replication. Many mistakes are caught and
> >>> corrected, but not all. An error rate of one nucleotide
> >>> in 10**7 is common. This has allowed sufficient
> >>> mutations to occur for natural selection to work with.
> >>> So whatever is doing this "deliberate purposeful
> >>> design" is not good enough to catch all of the
> >>> copy errors, is he/she/it?
> >>>
> >> You believe that mutations can be beneficial or detrimental.
> >> So, since the modern human race dates back 200,000 years, can
> >> you claim that the DNA has not undergone a decline in the 200k
> >> years of modern mans existence? It certainly has due to the 2/ND
> >> law and increasing entropy.
> >
> > I do not know how you measure "decline".
> >
> The number of mutations continuously increase
> constantly over time.
> >
> > I know that our genetics have changed during the
> > past 200,000 years. We have lost functions and
> > structure that we no longer need. Our body structure
> > has changed to improve the ability to walk upright.
> > We have lost much of our body hair, we are taller, we
> > have more dexterity in our hands, but have lost it in
> > our feet. Our tails are recessive. We have larger brains
> > (which increased to a maximum in the past but have
> > decreased in favor of a more efficient design currently).
> > I think you will agree that our facial features have
> > become more attractive (but that, of course, is in the
> > eye of the beholder). We now have the biggest "T"s and
> > the finest "A"s. All of these changes are easily seen in
> > our genetics.
> > Entropy does not factor into human populations. People
> > eat and drink to gain energy from our environment.
> >
> Of course, you are right about our bodies, however, our
> DNA is constantly being bombarded by UV rays, cigaretteFurth
> > The 2nd law applies to CLOSED systems only.
> >
> This is a common mistake. The 2/nd law can and does apply
> to open systems. You can see it in the world around you.
> A house that is deserted, over time falls into ruin. A tree
> while alive receives energy from our sun, grows and remains
> alive. But it dies then rot and decay sets in and in time it`s dust.
> This is increasing entropy eventhough the dead tree still
> receives solar energy. It`s lost information in death to use
> this energy.
> The problem is the second law was expressed in terms of a
> steam engine by an engine engineer named, Carnot whose
> interest was power. I`m an engineer MsEE.
> So, I can assure you that the 2/nd law can affect open systems.
> Further evidence:
https://www.studocu.com/en-us/document/university-of-delaware/chemical-engineeri
ng-thermodynamics/second-law-applied-to-closed-and-open-systems/42839370
In rules 5 and 6 it is admitted that the insertion of
energy will counter the effects of entropy. That`s
all I`m saying.
An abandoned house will gain heat in the daytime
an loose it at night. That is the thermodynamics of
it. The fact that it rots is not a process of entropy.
It is no more than erosion, bacteria, bugs, birds and
worms.
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