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On 4/8/2023 1:58 AM, Louis Epstein wrote:
> pyotr filipivich <
phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Louis Epstein <
le@main.lekno.ws> on Thu, 6 Apr 2023 22:23:24 -0000
>> (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> on Tue, 4 Apr 2023 22:58:04 -0000
>>>> (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>>>>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> on Fri, 31 Mar 2023 01:46:59 -0000
>>>>>> (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Much has been made of the change in weapons since the
>>>>>>> Second Amendment was adopted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry Turtledove had his "Guns of the South" where
>>>>>>> Confederates were supplied with AK-47s in 1864 by
>>>>>>> racist time-travellers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about time-travellers heading back to the 1776-7 period
>>>>>>> and giving George Washington modern XM7 and XM250 weapons
>>>>>>> with ammunition so as to make the War of Independence much
>>>>>>> more quickly resolved?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Turtledove`s _Guns of the South_ chose AKs in part because they
>>>>>> were designed to be used by Russian peasants who lacked the
>>>>>> familiarity with machinery to take care of "high tech" weapons.
>>>>>> Same issue exists in earlier armies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A "Better" idea would be to have introduce Rifled Muskets
and the
>>>>>> mini-ball. (And eventually the machinery to make them, but that is
>>>>>> another can of worms).
>>>>>
>>>>> But is the motive of the travellers to give them something
>>>>> incremental and useful,or to deliver a "shock to the system"
>>>>> that would be effective,but also give them a scare that
>>>>> would make them rethink?
>>>>
>>>> So ship back AK-47`s.
>>>
>>> Turtledove had South Africans provide Russian weapons
>>> to Confederates...I`m all about Americans providing
>>> American weapons to Americans.
>>>
>>>> Same effectiveness, but a more robust firearm.
>>>>>>> Beyond the effect on the battlefield,would the
>>>>>>> Americans still feel comfortable writing the Second
>>>>>>> Amendment into the Constitution if it meant making
>>>>>>> weapons of such lethality a citizen commonplace?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering that the founders already considered having citizens
>>>>>> own "military grade" firearm, cannons, and private warships to be
>>>>>> perfectly acceptable, why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because "military grade" would be suddenly redefined and
>>>>> they`d see the consequences in person.
>>>>
>>>> Now explain to me how having a standing army would be much
>>>> more palatable in the 1780`s? Especially under the Articles of
>>>> Confederation. One of the reasons for the amendment of the subsequent
>>>> Constitution was to address concerns about Government overreach.
>>>> Disarming the populace, especially as there were still "wild indians"
>>>> living close-by, was not a salable idea.
>>>
>>> An orders-of-magnitude increase in carnage when things come
>>> to armed conflict may make armed conflict significantly less palatable.
>>
>> That was what was thought about the introduction of the Gatling
>> Gun, the Maxim Gun, Aeroplanes, Gas, assault rifles, and nukes.
>
> So you don`t think there`s any stage at which
> the magnitude of an increase would make people care?
>
They would care. For a while, then it just becomes the new normal.
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