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On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 22:33:45 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> I`m on Linux, but thanks. I`ll check out slrn.
>>
> Pan is often the GUI choice for Linux users.
As windows user that has used XNews, slrn, Gravity (by GRC), and Pan for
Windows, I`ll add that all of these clients are excellent, but each has
their own weaknesses. I was affected by the bugs for Pan for Windows that
result in the various panes being turned black and becoming unusable.
XNews would be my perfect newsreader, but it`s so dated now, and can`t
handle more modern usages well, such as double-byte character sets
(unicode, utf8). Also, no modern tls. (yes, I`m aware of stunnel
approaches, but I`m also lazy)
slrn I think of more as an "online" reader. It`s ability to hold onto
downloaded bodies and show them intelligently in a "show full threads with
new messages" sort of way is... doable but awkward. I acutally kind of
like that it`s a console-only client, but for my normal usage it`s just
slightly clunky. It`s also `almost` perfect, and I still use it regularly
when I get bored and read usenet over ssh from work (or other places I
probably shouldn`t). Also no modern tls.
Gravity by GRC has been updated *just enough* to be viable, but it departs
from the truly excellent scorefile approach shared by xnews/slrn/pan. It`s
perfectly usable, but its overall philosophy is really "one reader, one
news server". It lacks the same *easy* mutlti-server/identity flexibility
of the other clients.
Each of these clients have their own "approach". I like all of them, and
have used each extensively.
Ultimately, recently, I have landed on Pan for Linux, but using WSL2
(windows subsystem for Linux) under Windows 11, which lets me use Pan for
linux on a windows machine. It does not suffer from the same bugs that the
2019 build of Pan for Windows does. And I am happiest with this, for now!
Pan is an excellent gui, supports modern TLS, handles multi-identity,
multi-server, and handles unicode just fine. It also tries to add a GUI in
front of the score file, but I prefer to edit that manually, and it
supports it fantastically. I`d move to Pan for Windows again if an updated
build fixed the bugs for me, to avoid the cost of virtualization, but
honestly WSL2 is good enough that I`m ok with the tradeoffs for now
(haven`t yet figured out how to make links clickable... gnome link
handlers aren`t integerated with my windows browser, but I don`t care that
much, the clipboard is seamless so I can just copy/paste).
I wish more effort was put into maintaining modern windows *text based*
newsreaders these days. I`m not a binaries fellow. But for now this is
working for me.
Lafe
ps - sorry, what was meant to be a quick follow up turned into a minor
essay.
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