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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:46:44 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:11:03 AM UTC+9, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:47:29 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:42:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:14:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:19:43 AM
UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:15:49 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:15:32
AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at
1:35:00 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at
12:10:25 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at
11:29:43 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023
at 10:27:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023
at 4:10:35 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 23,
2023 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-23 10:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July
8, 2023 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2023-07-08 08:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sunday, July
2, 2023 at 6:52:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 2023-07-02 13:39, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday, June
30, 2023 at 12:18:47 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On 2023-06-30 08:00, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Friday,
June 30, 2023 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Qualifying is not racing anyway.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Yet it is
part of racing, who organizationally places
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> significance on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> And as I
explained, there are very good reasons why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> qualifying laps
are often faster than the fastest race lap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the same event.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> What`s your fastest race lap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Goalpost move, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> That`s his MO.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Now watch him
scramble because he`s declared "KJ" one of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the "top
three" FF drivers at Mission...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> He was top 3
after Floer, McColl and McKay dropped out. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> were you. That
does not make you as good as the top three now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that they are coming back.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And now the scrambling begins!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ...only to
discover that I`ve easily bested him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I`m not a race
driver, just good with numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Based on race
wins out of race entries there three distinct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> categories of SCCBC FF drivers:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Elite: Floer,
McColl (tie) and McKay Intermediate: Baker,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Brandfors and
Grandbois Also Ran: Robinson, Fraser, Power,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer,
Phillips, Kwan, Wong and others
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There`s a lot
more than number of race wins to consider there,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Little Shit...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but you go on not having a clue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let`s look at
your record against McKay:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2019: Floer and
McColl stopped their FF racing. It was down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to you and
McKay. Of 16 races you entered, McKay won 10, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> won 4 and Brandfors won 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Wow. You can`t
even look up the basic facts correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In 2019, I won
6 races to Dave McKay`s 10...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But you`re "good with numbers", right?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Bwaahahahahahahahahah!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> ...but it should
be noted that on one of those weekends
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> another driver
in a different class drove right over the top of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> my car; utterly
preventing me from competing in 2 races.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here`s the aftermath on my helmet:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
e link>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That`s the other car`s right rear tire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> And to be
clear, the other driver was completely at fault.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2020: None of
the Elites raced FF. Of the 9 races you entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> you won 7,
Grandbois 2. The season was shorted by COVID and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no season
championships were awarded by the club,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2021: You
entered and won 3 races, all in October, against a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> weak field.
None of the Elites raced FF.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2022: You lost
your first 3 races to consistent loser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Archer, giving
him (i think) his first wins (tire excuse).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You won 3
August races against a weak field with no Elites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> You lost to
Fraser in your only October race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Different tires
with more grip is not an "excuse", Little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2023: You have
not entered any races. Elites Floer and McKay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> entered all
three June 24 races. McKay won race 1, Floer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> races 2 and 3.
Winning best lap times were in the 1:11 to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 1:12 area.
Except for 7/27/2019 race #1 these latest winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap times are
lower than any of your winning times by about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2-3 seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> It`s remarkable
that Floer and McKay came back so strong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> after so long
away. Their times match their 2016-2018 best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> lap records.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Given that the
"best lap record" of that time period is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 1:10.583, I`m
not sure how that`s a match.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Not answered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Weird, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Your racing
record is not competitive with June`s winning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> times by Elites Floer and McKay.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Prove me wrong
with numbers, not excuses, lies and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> anecdotes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Look at the
post of mine to which you were too craven to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> a reply, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> You`re not only
a liar. You`re a coward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The other 2 2019
victories over McKay are tainted by weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How are race wins
"tainted by weather conditions", Little Shit?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> LOL you say? I say deflection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Your tire excuse
is lame, to say the least. Your 2021-2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record sucks. A
few races against weak competition. No wins over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the Elites. You
were not Elite before 2021, and your recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> record is even worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Except for being
literally run over by another car in another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> class, there`s a
good chance that I would have won the 2019
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> championship, Little Shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And if someone
else is running tires that aren`t class legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (because, while
they give more grip, they have a shorter life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are more
expensive), OF COURSE they can go faster than they would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> otherwise go.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2019 was now 4
years ago. What have you done lately? Not much. You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can`t "do" anything
when you don`t even show up. We both know that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post 2019 things
changed, and we both know that there is more to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent lack of
racing than COVID and personal health issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "WE" know this, do we?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny how back in
March, Tommy was admitting to CoVid as a factor for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own reductions in travel, not financials.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, he also said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "We are now 5 years
older but still wanting to travel. I just bought a flying club
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > membership, opening the
opportunity to take some trips by air not involving airlines."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...which hasn`t had a peep about since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I`ve been quite busy
traveling, flying CAP aircraft, and playing with my "toy" RC aircraft :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting back into
the flying club (https://www.sky-vu.org/) since May we have gone by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > air to Atlanta GA,
Nashville TN and northern Michigan (Ludington) to see friends and family.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plans are in the works
for an August trip and another Atlanta trip later this year. Never lost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bag, been hassled by
TSA, or had to share a row with a disagreeable passenger. We both
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love flying to places on our own schedule.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So long as you`re content
with staying domestically, and within a ~4hr (600mi) circle. Some of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this year`s squall lines have
caused significant air travel delays .. I saw one thunderhead on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > radar map a few weeks ago
that had an `echo top` of 51,500 ft. Insofar as other pax and bags,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we did our last EU trip
with just carry-ons & booked up front so that there was no real
`neighbor`.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are still thinking
about a western Canada trip in September as a follow-up to last year`s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eastern Canada trip. If we
go we will drive. No excuses, it`s just more of a hassle and too
expensive to fly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google flights is indicating
under $500/pp-RT, versus 35 driving hours each way, which is 3-4 full
days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each way, depending on how
much you choose to do, so figure 4-6 hotel nights plus meals, so figure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5 nights at $150 + 7 days
at $100) = ($750 + $700) = $1450 = you`re likely paying ~40% more,
not less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, this was for RT to/from
Vancouver, since Tommy had only mentioned real estate there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At home we are going to
concerts and plays on a weekly basis, getting the landscaping in the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition ever, and generally enjoying life.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Oct fiscal year
I`ve logged 166 total CAP and personal hours and got back instrument
currency too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of which was mentioned
previously, yet no one accused you of doing utterly nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have pivioted some
assets to income producing stock funds from capital appreciation, increasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retirement income by about
25%. Total family assets are now over $3 million with total debt at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moment of about $1,000 in
credit card balances. I have fully retired from consulting, including
shutting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down the company website
and email account in early 2022. I have also gotten back into RC
aircraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a current fleet of
10 plus a DJI drone. Income is more than sufficient to cover all
expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, we are putting
money back into savings.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe I suggested that sort
of reassessment a few years ago, which would free up a good chunk for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing more travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, Alan has
raced in 10 of 41 SCCBC FF races in the 2021-2023 seasons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely that you know of, for
Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. Which similarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applies to my lack of
comments on personal outlays.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And he still lives in his glorified closet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, a "closet" in a
highly desired market can be worth much more than a ranch in a less
desired area;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a report this past
week of houses for sale in ND for just $15K: "location, location,
location!" applies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, we are planning on stopping
in Calgary/Banff, then on to Vancouver and Victoria, south to
Seattle/Portland,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then back home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so it`s not just to Vancouver.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please supply airfare and car rental costs for:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Indy-Calgary-Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle-Portland-Indy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Google Flights for one-ways
& Price Graph tool to avoid peaks, I`d put the baseline as:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Calgary ... $206
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vancouver ... $75
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Victoria ... reposition by (Taxi +
$20 Ferry + Mass Transit); probably cheaper than taking over a rental
car (Ferry + dropoff fee)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle ... $144.00 (Victoria
Clipper Ferry - "Panorama" seat)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Portland ... reposition by rental car
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indy .. $100
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sum: $206 + $75 + $100? + $144
+ $100 = $625/pp ... x2 = $1250.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I figure driving, gone 25 days
at about $300/day is about $7.5k.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The majority of that would be
incurred whether we fly commercial or drive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Versus how many days less if one flies?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we took the club C182S it
would be about about 30 hours at $177 or $5300 just for air travel.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which at its cruising speed means
~5000 miles covered, which at the IRS mileage rate means
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the fully burdened POV costs are around $3,000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you have hotels, meals,
ground transportation, airport fees etc. on top.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fewer hotels or meals when
employing air transportation, and ground transportation (rental cars)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are effectively needed regardless
of if its a Club aircraft or a commercial flight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, you have to go over some
rugged mountains on the second and last legs. Not to mention
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal air travel is highly
weather dependent. On our recent air trips we allowed for weather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > flexibility and were staying
with friends and family, so not such a problem. A trip involving hotel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and rental car reservations gets
a lot more complicated if flight plans change. That applies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > both personal and airline flights.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, personal flights are much
more vulnerable to weather factors, plus you also lose the luxury of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > riding instead of driving. For
`trickle down` schedule effects of delays, some can be mitigated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > through prior planning, such as to
plan one`s within-city itinerary without needing a rental car.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I simply note that you failed to
include rental car costs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, because it doesn`t matter if
you fly commercial flight or rent the Club C182,
> > > > > > > > > > > you`re going to need a rental either way.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle-Portland leg mid-size is about
$360 for 3 days on Expedia. Calgary for 3 days close to $300.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > FYI, keep checking, for price management
is wonky this year. We had a reservation
> > > > > > > > > > > for TN in June which was originally
$786 when booked several weeks out, but then
> > > > > > > > > > > at ~2 weeks out, we rebooked (same
company - Avis) for $200 less.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think a good estimate of 25 days
of car rentals is going to be over $2,000 plus gas.
> > > > > > > > > > > > That does not include supplementary insurance.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But if you`re flying and not driving,
the trip is not going to be as many days.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You also low-balled the airfare.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nope. All I did was use Google Flights
for each flight leg, represented as one-way,
> > > > > > > > > > > so as to avoid any aggregating
discounts, and then eyeballed the `monthly` bar chart
> > > > > > > > > > > to identify what the prices were like
when one avoided the high cost peaks. I didn`t
> > > > > > > > > > > ever choose the lowest price unless it
happened to be what predominated over half
> > > > > > > > > > > of the dates in a month.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Those flights might not fit our
plans. I did a realistic multicity on Expedia and
> > > > > > > > > > > > came up with roughly $1,000 pp. That
itinerary includes indirect flights with
> > > > > > > > > > > > some long layovers. I was surprised it was not more.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you`re willing to burn an extra
week or more to drive the whole shebang, you`re
> > > > > > > > > > > in no place to complain about flights with layovers.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So combined rental car and airfare
is going to be about $4,000. I agree with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > $3,000 full cost of driving. But,
most of that is either deferred depreciation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the IRS number is fixed
cost for insurance mainly, so the flat mileage
> > > > > > > > > > > > rate is actually a little lower. If
I drive I have more hotel, meal and fuel costs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > $1,000 for that extra expense is a
good guess. Call it a push. The difference to
> > > > > > > > > > > > me is not material.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So what you originally justified as
"too expensive to fly" turns out to be a push. Golly.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For me, riding in an airliner
passenger seat is no luxury. Riding in the left front
> > > > > > > > > > > > seat of a C182 is a luxury. I rate
the left front seat of my Accord above any
> > > > > > > > > > > > economy seat in an airliner too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can lay flat in
either one of those while piloting underway ;-)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > First, apples and oranges. I would not
fly the 182 on an overnight.
> > > > > > > > > Who said anything about an overnight? Just
being able to kick back & relax (or nap)
> > > > > > > > > while still underway is the point, rather
than having to be attentive while driving the whole time.
> > > > > > > > > > Second, if we flew we would miss some
incredible scenery out west.
> > > > > > > > > I can recall the first time that we saw
the Rockies. Pulled over & took photos,
> > > > > > > > > and then proceeded to drive for another day
towards them before actually
> > > > > > > > > getting there.
> > > > > > > > > > Finally, we enjoy the driving experience.
> > > > > > > > > > We made the decision to drive. That`s our preference. YMMV.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Which is simply what you should have said
upfront, rather than claiming that
> > > > > > > > > it was "too expensive" in other modes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can "lie flat" or take a comfortable nap in a coach seat?
> > > > > > > Flat? Not unless it`s Air NZ. Nap? Sure. But then again, it`s not
> > > > > > > 30+ hrs in a car, so being able to really rack
out is not really all
> > > > > > > that necessary on just 2-4 hr daytime flights.
> > > > > > > > The Accord`s seats put any airline coach seat
I have ever been in to shame.
> > > > > > > So don`t fly coach. As mentioned long ago, your
budget was freed up.
> > > > > > > You won`t feel a more cushy coffin liner, so $
now is better than never.
> > > > > > > > And, there will be no infants screaming their
lungs 2 rows ahead for an
> > > > > > > > entire 3 hour flight. That happened on our
Costa Rica trip earlier this year.
> > > > > > > > Miserable... You way overrate coach class airline travel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But there will be 30+ hours of highway drone.
Plus you do have the option
> > > > > > > to pay to position so that they`re not 2 rows
ahead of you. Personally, I`ve
> > > > > > > not had any screaming babies issues in multiple
years, which illustrates its
> > > > > > > relative rarity. Of course, it`s even quieter when
riding in front of coach on
> > > > > > > a flight, even if it`s just in E+. Try earplugs next time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 30 hours of sightseeing and audiobooks. Try Where the
> > > > > > Crawdads Sing or Horse in the car. Time will fly by.
> > > > > Oh, I`ve suffered through that before; it`s why I pay to "fly over".
> > > > > > My experience with screaming kids in coach is very different.
> > > > > > One was Dallas to Istanbul. 8 hours of agony. When one would
> > > > > > shut up the sibling would go off.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where "very different" is that you had to invoke a business trip from
> > > > > how many years ago? April 2010 was thirteen years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway we are driving. Probably leaving Aug 30 now.
> > > > > You should be far enough north to miss most the
localized flooding that`s
> > > > > now expected from the future remnants of Hurricane Hillary.
> > > >
> > > > The most recent crying kid incidence was in January of
this year - Houston to Costa Rica.
> > > I know.
> > > > The Istanbul incident was a few years ago, also on
vacation. The flight from there to Tel Aviv was OK.
> > > Where "a few years ago" was 2010. Specifically, departure
from the USA on 19 April 2010.
> > > > So, we each have preferences. Those are different. News at 11.
> > > No, what I`m saying is that your own experience is similar
to mine, which is that these
> > > `screaming baby`flights tend to be rare, as your own
volunteered experience was 2023 and
> > > 2010, which means its on the rough order of magnitude of
just one per decade.
> > > > BTW, given the fires in southern BC we are skipping
Banff and driving to Seattle. Friends
> > > > have offered a place to stay. From there south to Cedar
City then back home. I offered the
> > > > wife flights a rental cars as an option. She would rather drive.
> > > Yet she agreed to how many Cessna flights already?
> > > > The flooding will be long gone by the time we get
there. Our main concern is smoke.
> > > > That was a major issue when we went to
Montana/Wyoming/Colorado 2 years ago.
> > > The flooding may take out infrastructure, which takes more
than a few days to rebuild.
> > > Smoke from forest fires can have an effect for hundreds of
miles, as we saw earlier
> > > this summer in the US (including the NYC Metro area) coming
down from central Canada.
> > >
> > > -hh
> > To sum it up we had a good time. Because we drove we were
able to be very flexible
> > on diversions to see things we never planned. We planned our
stops only a day ahead.
> > The only downsides were the 3 days we spent on long drives
and a tire failure that
> > knocked us out of visiting one national park we had intended
to see. We stumbled
> > across Little Bighorn National Battlefield, the Truman
Presidental library and a stay
> > at the Hotel Nevada in Ely. We spent half an hour waiting
for a buffalo traffic jam to
> > clear, visited some great local restaurants, friends that we
had not seen since college
> > days, and saw some epic vistas that your airline travel would
have flown over.
> Seeing the Rockies from the ground is nice..question is the time
constraints factor
> vs other priorities.
> > Five first time National Parks, Custer State Park, two national
monuments, and
> > Victoria/Butchart Gardens. OMG, Redwoods, Crater Lake and Lassen Volcanic.
> > Plus, US Highway 50 across Nevada.
> >
> > Having said that, at our age this may be the last time for
such a long road trip.
> Yup, it`s grinding hours in the car. Glad to hear that you made
it safely home
> despite the tire failure. Currently on a train to from Kanazawa
to Kyoto myself;
> someone else is driving & we`re using a Tokyo Wireless hotspot
for easy connectivity.
> > Next year we have made reservations with a local tour company to fly to
> > Vancouver and take a train to Banff and Calgary, then fly home. We may go
> > out a few days early, rent a car, and explore a little more
of Vancouver Island.
> Sounds like a good plan.
> > Also thinking about a European river cruise and Florida for a few weeks.
> > The annual 2 weeks of skiing is already booked and paid. Maybe not your
> > idea of a good time, but it`s ours.
> EU River cruises are pretty nice; we`ve done a few. Trade-off is
often no nights
> within the city being visited...found that to be a consideration
during the December
> Christmas Market season, as they`re much more fun in the dark
with their lights.
> Last year`s trip to Colmar is probably going to be on this
year`s Holdiay card.
>
> -hh
We are both retired, we don`t really have any time constraints.
Financial yes, but not severely limiting at this point.
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