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On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 17:43:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-06-08, The Natural Philosopher <
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alas, `tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks
>>>> out, identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered
>>>> solutions to, that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a
>>>> problem, and an excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state
>>>> subsidy, and restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
>>>> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing
>>>> works,
>>>> and the politicians are the problem.
>>>
>>> And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
>>> once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark
>>> side.
>>
>> The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
>> aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same.
>> A narrow totalitarian elite.
>
> My point exactly - and it still applies today.
>
> Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist,
> fascist, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The
> human race divides politically into those who want people to be
> controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are
> idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the
> greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and
> lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than
> the other sort.
> -- Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
Good stuff!
I`ve just been re-reading Heinlein: `Methuselah`s Children`, `Time Enough
For Love`.(Are the other LL stories as good?) Followed those two off with
`Friday`.
FWIW I tend to rate `The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress` and `Job` with those LL
tales.
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