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От : Alexander Koryagin 2:221/6 28 окт 24 12:56:20
К : Ardith Hinton 28 окт 24 13:58:01
Тема : Strange a bit
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Hi, Ardith Hinton!
I read your message from 26.10.2024 19:24
AK>> However in astrology
AH> Or numerology, methinks.... :-)
AK>> every letter is important and they say can change the person`s
AK>> destiny. ;)
AH> Uh-huh. In English, you can spell a family name "Smythe" & require
AH> others to pronounce it "Smith". Years ago I knew somebody who did
AH> that. And names like "Brown" & "Clark" may be spelled with or
AH> without a final "e". The spelling of one`s name may or may not
AH> influence the audience`s reaction.:-Q
Probably some people want to deceive the Devil while he peruse his
list of those who must be taken to hell. ;-) Which Smith are you
looking for? There is no such a person! :)
AH>> Pronunciations in English often vary from one time & place to
AH>> another... and I don`t know where this name originated. But IMHO
AH>> it`s most likely the pronunciation changed & we never got around
AH>> to changing the spelling. I`m told that`s what happened with
AH>> e.g. "gnash" and "knife".... :-)
I suspect that "gn" and "kn" are forgotten English diphthongs, like
"th". They probably sounded even more incomprehensive and tongue mutilating
for common people that they refused from them. Of they simply couldn`t
pronounce it. ;-)
AK>> It would be interesting for me to learn who threw "k" first and
AK>> why others started follow him. ;-)
AH> I don`t know who did it or when... the OED might tell us more about
AH> that... but for native speakers of English, the initial consonants
AH> are rather difficult to pronounce without adding a vowel when one
AH> follows immediately on the other. I`m reminded here of the Danish
AH> King "Canute" (as I was taught to spell his name). During the 11th
AH> century he was king of England. But he was king of Denmark & Norway
AH> too... and many historians nowadays spell it "Cnut". While that may
AH> be more authentic from their POV I don`t speak Danish.... :-)
It seems to me that the French origin of it is very likely,
taking into account the great impact it exert on English. It possible that
adding a silent "e" was even a mean to underline the French ancestry.
AH>> I get the impression the upper classes in Russia preferred French
AH>> (which may have worked for them when they didn`t want the servants
AH>> to get the drift) until they became disenchanted with Napoleon,
AH>> then carefully reconstructed what`s now your native language. The
AH>> net result from my POV is that it`s a lot younger than my native
AH>> language & doesn`t include complications like "silent letters"....
AK>> Yes, the French got a great impact on the Russian language, but
AK>> Russians did not accept those crazy silent letters. So Bordeaux in
AK>> Russia is just Bordo, and nobody suffers from it.
AH> To my ears, however, the second "o" is elongated. If your language
AH> makes no such distinction I understand. I have to keep reminding
AH> myself that e.g. the word "venue" is pronounced differently in
AH> English & French.... :-))
Yeah, the French don`t like "e" at the end of words. ;-) As said
one Russian literature personage "there there is some mystery or a
perverted tastes". ;-)
Bye, Ardith!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2024
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