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От : jimmylogan 1:105/7 08 ноя 24 06:07:32
К : Rob Swindell 08 ноя 24 17:09:02
Тема : Re: The US election
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-=> Rob Swindell wrote to jimmylogan <=-
> How do you define embryo or fetus?
RS> I`m fine with the standard definition used by biologists.
Can you supply that? I see several variations and no `standard.`
> I say it`s a stage of development. You
> are also a bunch of cells. What stage of development are you?
RS> I`m an adult.
Do you agree you are also a `bunch of cells?`
> Embryo, fetus, something else, baby, toddler, pre-teen, teen, adolescent,
> adult, elderly - they describe development, but they all have one thing
> in common. They are human beings.
>
> If an embryo or fetus is not a human being, then what is it?
RS> It`s a human embryo or fetus. These are kind of elementary questions
RS> you`re asking.
Yes they are, but I`m asking what YOU say it is. I`m trying to find out
where you actually stand on this. If it`s `human` then why is it not
worth defending?
> RS> I think we collectively make humans at a fast enough rate already, we
> RS> don`t need superstition-based laws insuring we make more unwanted/loved
> RS> ones.
>
> Then why not start killing off the excess after birth too?
RS> Why change the subject? We`re talking about abortion of embryos or
RS> fetuses, not born-live human babies.
It`s not a change of subjedt. We are talking about live humans in both
cases. Just because the location is inside the womb does not make it
less human. The birth is a change of location, not a change in
species.
> RS> An aborted embryo or fetus makes the uterus available for the creation
> RS> of another, more planned/wanted/loved child. What`s more important: 1.
> RS> an unwanted embryo/fetus 2. a wanted child?
>
> You have a baby and find out it is autistic and probably will never talk.
> What`s more important, keeping that unwanted child or tossing it aside
> and trying again?
RS> You want to kill learning disabled children? You`re sick.
No I don`t, and I don`t want to see people kill children in the womb. I
didn`t say *I* wanted anything - I`m asking you to tell me what the
difference is.
> Couple of things - superstition based laws - so I take it you don`t believe
> that we are created in the image of God?
RS> No, there is no god, yours or any other religion`s: Gods are
RS> constructions of human imagination, not unlike the gods of Greek
RS> mythology or any other discarded belief system. I expect this will be
RS> offensive to you (and possibly other believers), but you since you
RS> asked, there it is.
Nope - not offensive to me at all. Follow up question - where do you get
your morality from then?
> What do you believe? Random chance and evolution?
RS> I believe that more than some old man in the clouds that judges us and
RS> controls our fate and some fantasy afterlife.
Same question then - where does your morality come from?
> That leads to the answer of the `wanted` child and society, so answer that
> one first please.
RS> It seems you want to change the subject or topic. You said you voted
RS> for an immoral disgusting narcisist to lead our country because he`s
RS> promised that he`ll continue to strip the rights of women to control
RS> their own reprodutive organs, justified by the teachings of Jesus? That
RS> seems like a sick hypocrisy. But you do you. --
RS> digital man (rob)
As I said above, not changing it at all. I`m trying to get to the ROOT of
the same subject or topic.
And I like the spin you put on it - saying that I said those things. Nice.
:-)
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