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От : Dmitry Protasoff 2:5001/100 30 авг 26 20:03:13
К : Dmitry Lipatnikov 30 авг 26 23:04:01
Тема : Re: Weekly nodelist report on noteworthy changes (240)
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Hello Dmitry!
In a message of 30 Aug 26 21:40, Dmitry wrote to Dmitry:
DL> hostname
DL> optional static IP
But why not use a second hostname?
The problem with the current nodelist is that NC/RC aren`t updating
them properly.
Adding an IP address there means changing it could take months! And
changing the IP address of a hostname takes like 15 minutes with a glass
of beer/wine.
DL> Because "real, proven information" and "could be reached" sound
DL> simple until we try to specify them.
DL> What exactly constitutes proof that a node is dead?
DL> One failed TCP connection?
DL> Ten?
DL> For an hour?
DL> A day?
DL> A month?
I already have statistics for 1 year for each node in nodelist.
DL> DNS fails, IP works
DL> DNS works, TCP fails
DL> IPv4 works, IPv6 fails
DL> IPv6 works, IPv4 fails
I have all those cases covered and much more.
DL> so Fido was working without me somehow, I don`t have intetion on
DL> giving a point to anyone (and I don`t see a queue for the either),
DL> so I will not respond. How about that?
If you announce something in nodelist - you have to fulfill your promises.
DL> And most importantly: who is allowed to turn an observation made by
DL> an automated monitoring system into authoritative information about
DL> FidoNet topology?
It`s completely optional. Just for people who don`t have time to
troubleshoot failed connections.
DL> hostname = node.example.org
DL> static_ip = 192.0.2.42
DL> Your validator tries the hostname and fails.
I am testing everything: hostnames, IP addresses, all protocols, I
check domains with whois, etc.
DL> We are talking about an optional field in a format where a line may
DL> be up to 1024 characters, plus a trivial fallback rule. Nodes
Not really 1024: 157 for several nodelist related utilities.
255 for ifmail. 512 for qico.
DL> And your proposal about cleaning the nodelist is definitely the
DL> hull problem.
We don`t need zombies, we need people. Right now at least 1/3 of
nodelist is a cemetery. Not even a museum.
DL> I`d be much more interested now in discussing how to define "dead
DL> node" reliably enough that the resulting information can be
DL> trusted.
Check nodelist.fidonet.cc (or nodelist.5001.ru from Russia).
See you,
dp.
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