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On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 18:47:23 +0700, John B. <
slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 06:42:10 -0400, Catrike Rider
><
soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:26:10 +0700, John B. <
slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 01:52:19 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>>><lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 7:14:10?AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:58:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 09:18:08 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>On 9/26/2023 9:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> >>> I`m just pointing out that riding and building are two
separate things.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Yes, in that the most accomplished disciplined bicycle
>>>>> >>racers I have known, and I have known many, are generally
>>>>> >>men who should not be allowed around tools.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >One has to learn how to use tools when very young. It becomes more
>>>>> >difficult to learn basic tool skills as we get older. Past about 18
>>>>> >years old, I believe it`s almost hopeless.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I learned Unix and a little C programming from a programmer friend. It
>>>>> >was a trade. I did the maintenance and construction on his various
>>>>> >computers (NCR, AT&T, Plexus, etc) in trade for him teaching me Unix.
>>>>> >At various points, I attempted to teach him how to operate various
>>>>> >hand tools. He couldn`t do it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >What happened was his father was an auto mechanic. He didn`t want his
>>>>> >son to also become and auto mechanic. So, every time his son would
>>>>> >grab a tool, his father would take it away. It`s a cruel thing to do
>>>>> >to a child, but I`ll admit that it worked as intended. Instead of an
>>>>> >auto mechanic, he became a programmer. I don`t know if that is
>>>>> >considered an improvement. Fortunately, his father didn`t (or
>>>>> >couldn`t) stop him from learning to ride a motorcycle and drive an
>>>>> >automobile. Judging by his collection of trophies, he did quite well.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I observed similar problems in college with foreign exchange students
>>>>> >mostly from Iran. The upper classes are not expected to get their
>>>>> >hands dirty. The result was engineering students who were a hazard to
>>>>> >themselves and everyone within range of whatever they were doing. Most
>>>>> >were young enough to eventually learn how to operate hand tools.
>>>>> >Machine tools were a different story.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I was lucky. My father had me help him rebuild industrial sewing
>>>>> >machines. When I wanted an automobile, I was given a car with serious
>>>>> >engine problems. If I wanted the car, I had to fix it first. My
>>>>> >parents encouraged me to take things apart to see how they worked.
>>>>> >However, I was rather surprised when the started demanding that I put
>>>>> >them back together, which was somewhat difficult.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The same principles apply to money. I`ve seen far to many adults that
>>>>> >don`t understand anything about how money works. I learned the basics
>>>>> >early by having a checking account when I was about 14(?) years old.
>>>>> >My parents gave me a years allowance and showed me how to deposit it.
>>>>> >They, they stood back and waited for the inevitable disaster. I
>>>>> >wasted almost all the money in less than two(?) months. I remained
>>>>> >impoverished for about a month, when we tried again. This time, I was
>>>>> >VERY careful about where the money was going and coming from.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Free advice. Some things must be learned when we`re young. Waiting
>>>>> >until we`re "grown up" is usually too late.
>>>>> Re money. My folks system was that both I and my brother had jobs and
>>>>> got paid every Saturday. At one period my "job" was to feed and milk
>>>>> the cow in the afternoon and feed the pigs who were kept in a pen in
>>>>> the barn. My brother`s was to feed and water the chickens which were
>>>>> in a separate building, the "hen house".
>>>>>
>>>>> In the summer an unpaid extra job was to weed one row in the garden
>>>>> before you could go swimming. The reasoning there was that "you eat so
>>>>> you should help with the garden".
>>>>>
>>>>> When I went to collage my parents paid the tuition and living costs
>>>>> directly to the collage - the school had a "mess hall" and living
>>>>> quarters - and I didn`t bother to ask any foolish questions
>>>>> like"What`ll will I do for pocket money?" I just went out and got a
>>>>> job working nights.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you reach down in your jeans and pull out your money and you
>>>>> realize, "There ain`t no more `till payday", it certainly does teach
>>>>> you to "live within your means"
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> John B.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, yes in the good old days life was simple. Nowadays a
family can?t raise two children on one salary. How did that happen? My
parents raised 3 children on one salary. It was no luxury but still.
>>>>
>>>>Lou
>>>
>>>And, I read just yesterday that minimum salary in California, for
>>>"fast food" workers is now $20/hour... $200 x 40 hour week? Time and a
>>>half for Saturday? Double time for Sunday?
>>
>>Every raise in pay without an associated increase in productivity
>>gives a boost to inflation.
>
>Ayup... and your President actually paraded in support of the Auto
>Workers Union. And in another report it was announced that Ford
>immediately stopped work on a $3.5 billion factory in Michigan, which
>was to have employed 2,500 workers.
>
In the beginning, labor unions seemed like a good thing. The benefits
began getting questionable in the 1980s, and by the turn of the
century, they were pricing the country`s labor force out of the
market. Of course the government and the employers that caved in to
them were assisting in the USA`s losses.
In my first occasion to have to join a union, (I ran a turret lathe in
a machine shop between college years) I was chastised and eventually
threatened by the other union members because I was working too fast.
My second union member ship, the electrical workers in a power plant
was an vast improvement and ended with my working my way up to a
salary position.
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