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On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:14:04 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
> On 9/29/23 1:46 PM, bmoore wrote:
> > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:18:52 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
> >> On 9/29/23 12:04 PM, bmoore wrote:
> >>> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:31:24 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
> >>>> On 9/29/23 9:22 AM, bmoore wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:14:27 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
> >>>>>> bmoore <
bmo...@nyx.net> writes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We`re getting ahead of ourselves here, but OK.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jesus said many things that contradict what seems normal to many of
> >>>>>>> us, but on reflection, are true.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The more than symbolic part stems from the belief that he is God but
> >>>>>>> also just a dude. I hope you know I am not trying to
gaslight you into
> >>>>>>> what to believe. You seem to have a Zen background on some level, and
> >>>>>>> that`s great.
> >>>>>> I see, you don`t want to answer the question. No problem.
> >>>>> Sorry, what question? Seriously. Do bear in mind, please,
that not directly answering a question is not some kind of avoidance,
> >>>> Diverting here, because this really shook me when I realized this, but
> >>>> you see the studied failure to respond to a direct question in Japanese
> >>>> culture a lot.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I first encountered the minor remnants of this cultural oddity in
> >>>> my wife`s brothers, and to a lesser degree, in herself, I took as as a
> >>>> personal insult. This is because basically, it appears that they are
> >>>> intentionally and knowingly ignoring you.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don`t even do that to people I don`t like, so of course it rubbed me
> >>>> the wrong way.
> >>>>
> >>>> But I came to find that to them it meant something different. It is an
> >>>> attempt to either avoid a situation where they feel they will lose face,
> >>>> or more directly, a situation where their only answer means lying in an
> >>>> obvious manner, or losing face.
> >>>>
> >>>> This then leads to the notion that they`re not trying to ignore me, but
> >>>> are too chickenshit to admit to failure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then you get over that, too. It`s simply a different priority placed on
> >>>> being "right" than I`m used to.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because I`ve never really seen the need for face-saving
> >>>> rhetorically--you simply take your lumps, learn a lesson, and move
> >>>> on--I`ve not done much of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> And an interesting side note: my wife does very little of it now, after
> >>>> nearly 40 years, because with me, there`s not a penalty for being wrong.
> >>>> Only for attempting to intentionally hide it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Everybody fucks up; you just learn from it and move on. Try not to do it
> >>>> twice, the same way.
> >>> Socrates was well-known for answering a question with a question.
> >> That was because he was a smart-alec.
> >>
> >> In those days it was a capital offense, apparently.
> >>> Not directly answering a query is not in any way a logical fallacy.
> >> I believe that the technical term is that it`s a "dodge".
> >>
> >> ;^)
> > Do you guys really believe that every question is worthy of a
direct response? i could get into examples, but really?
> Any honestly intended question, and by this I mean was it asked
> seriously seeking added clarification. And as the person under
> interrogation, you make the call, also in a spirit of honesty.
>
> Sure. To not do so is purposefully rude and demeaning. You can, of
> course, choose to be rude and demeaning--there are appropriate occasions
> for it.
>
> How do you see it?
In this case, I don`t think that I can give a meaningful answer
in a few paragraphs. To understand where I`m coming from requires a
lot of context.
Do you believe in the Jungian concept of a collective unconscious?
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