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On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 08:28:12 -0500, Leon <
lcb11211@swbell.net> wrote:
>On 8/3/2023 11:10 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:58:52 -0500, Leon <
lcb11211@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/1/2023 8:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> My Counter top is 25 5/8" deep to the sheet rock. 25 1/8" deep to the
>>> back splash. You want to plan for the counter top to extend past the
>>> front of the cabinet face frame enough to allow for extending past the
>>> drawer/door front and a bit more than that. Ours is between 1.25"~1.5"
>>> past the face frame.
>>
>> That counter depth is pretty restrictive in a modern kitchen, and will
>> cause endless expense, the fridge being a very good example.
>
>Actually that depth is an industry standard and the common depth that
>builders are using.
>
>>
>> It may be cheaper to redo the cabinets and counters for a greater
>> depth, allowing standard appliances to fit without fuss.
>
>Cheaper? I just redesigned and rebuild our kitchen with industry
>standard measurements. Few appliances with the exception of dishwashers
>fit evenly with counter tops. FWIW "Counter Depth" ranges and
>refrigerators ALL have different depths differing as much as 3~7" past
>the depth of the counter tops. With the exception of "built in"
>refrigerators and or stand alone cook tops modern appliances extend past
>the top of the counter tops. And unfortunately, for built in
>refrigerators, the around $10,000 price tag is not warranted.
24" depth fridges are quite expensive if they have enough capacity,
and must be built in to prevent tip over problems.
>> The added depth is also useful for parking and using small appliances.
In my kitchen, it would be a great help.
>24" is not an issue. Our small appliances go in any of the 18 drawers
>that I added to our kitchen. Out of sight.
>
>>
>>> We want to go counter depth, what ever that means. 95% of counter depth
>>> models, that are affordable, extend past the counter at least 5". Our
>>> current 28 cubic foot Samsung extends about 12" past the counter top.
>>
>> Yes. At least 30", maybe 36". 26+12= 38"
>
>No.
>
>>
>> In my kitchen, there are two facing walls with counters, cabinets, and
>> major appliances on both walls. There is enough space between facing
>> counters that I would have gone to at least 36". Maybe someday.
>
>
>
>You may want to consult an architect and or refer to standards that most
>all mortgage companies require. If counter tops are not within certain
>standards they may not meet requirements for a future prospective buyer
>to get a loan.
It follows the local building code. Their big issue is with the
stove, to ensure enough separation between flame and wooden cabinets
and the like.
>Having said that the distance between our cabinets and our island are
>42" minimum. The dishwasher door can be open and it is easy to walk
>between the open door and the island. That also goes for the open oven
>door and the island.
>
>The sink/oven/range/refrigerator reside an the "L" portion of the
>kitchen with those counter tops being the standard 24"~26" depth.
>
>We did add an 11` x 3` peninsula approximately 10` away from the island
>and 16` away from the "L" section of the counter tops that also have the
>oven/range unit.
>
>You should reconsider reaching to the back of a 36" counter top to wipe
>down the back splash. That likely would require a step stool for most
>women considering that the top of the standard back splash is 54" from
>the floor.
My 5`4" wife`s solution is very simple - that`s my job.
>>
>> [rearrange and snip]
>>>
>>> We have been doing some research on refrigerators. It seems that
>>> YouTube has a bunch of repairman reviews of these appliances. Most say
>>> that 95% built in the last 10 or so years are problematic.
>>
>> Yes`s. Too much plastic, too much electronics and pointless
>> complication. And when the electronics fails, it often makes the
>> fridge un-evaporable. Planned obsolescence.
>
>Mostly plastic has been the norm inside refrigerators side and back
>panels and door shelving for decades. Plastic is not the issue.
Sure it is. My prior fridge lasted from 1982 to 2020 or so, 35 years.
Try that with a modern fridge, where 5 years is doing very well.
>Complication naturally increases the possibility of a failure. The
>biggest issues with refrigerators with ice dispensers in the doors is
>that the ice maker itself is normally in the higher temperature
>refrigerated section. The temperatures near the ice maker are ever
>changing as the ice maker goes into a defrost mode with every cycle of
>ice. This makes temperatures inside the higher temp section of the
>refrigerator harder to regulate to a constant temperature at a minimum.
That does sound plausible.
Joe Gwinn
>>
>>> ESPECIALLY Samsung and LG. Apparently LG has compressor problems with
>>> their unique compressor design. Samsung has multiple problems, my BIL
>>> and SIL have a Samsung "Bespoke" that has had compressor problems. They
>>> had to get Samsung to buy back their model that was under 1 year old
>>> because they could not get parts, including the compressor. And they
>>> had to purchase another Samsung for that to happen. No refund. Buy
>>> back because the model they bought was discontinued.
>>> Consumer reports is not fond of wither Samsung or LG. At the moment the
>>> the better upper end models are Bosch and GE. And the simpler the unit
>>> the better. No exterior water or ice is recommended. The repair guys
>>> say get the units with the ice maker in the freezer and scoop your own
>>> ice. And water from inside the unit. Apparently most ice maker
>>> problems stem from an ice maker inside the refrigerator portion vs.
>>> inside the actual freezer itself.
>>>
>>> We are currently looking at the 800 series Bosch. And of course with SS
>>> you can get this with handles or no handles. Want dark/black SS?
>>> Handles only.
>>
>> I have a Bosch fridge with built-in ice maker. That ice maker never
>> worked correctly, and the ice bin would overfill and freeze into a
>> glacier. My solution was to disconnect the water from the fridge.
>>
>> The ice bin, which took a lot of space, now holds cheese.
>>
>>
>> Joe Gwinn
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