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On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:40:26 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
> On 8/23/23 6:45 PM, Glenn wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 7:49:29 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
> >> On 8/19/23 7:28 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>> On 20.8.2023. 3:06, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>> On 8/19/23 5:22 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>> On 20.8.2023. 1:56, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/19/23 2:17 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>>> 20 years ago situation was like this, Genetic Mutation
> >>>>>>> Theory was all over the place.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have no idea what you`re talking about. I suspect you don`t either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Then I noticed that authors of both, the Big Bang Theory and the
> >>>>>>> Genetic Mutation Theory are Catholic priests, and I started to
> >>>>>>> write about this, I wrote about it here a few times.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You`re right about the Big Bang, but Mendel had zero to do with
> >>>>>> mutations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course, that`s why his theory is called Genetic Mutation
> >>>>> Theory.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nobody calls it that.
> >>>
> >>> Ok, I figured this out. Definitely 20 years ago it is known
> >>> that Genetic Mutation Theory was Mendel`s (at least, this is how this
> >>> came to me), but maybe somebody misunderstood it, because it is based on
> >>> Mendel`s work.
> >
> >> Conceivably there is some kind of translation problem here. But no, you
> >> are wrong. Mendel`s theory has nothing to do with mutation. You admit at
> >> times that you`re ignorant of evolutionary biology and genetics. In
> >> this, if in nothing else, you are correct.
> >
> >
> > Ayala:
> > "The rediscovery in 1900 of Mendel`s theory of heredity by the
Dutch botanist and geneticist Hugo de Vries and others led to an emphasis
on the role of heredity in evolution. De Vries proposed a new theory
of evolution known as mutationism, which essentially did away with
natural selection as a major evolutionary process."
> >
> > "The controversy between mutationists (also referred to at the
time as Mendelians) and biometricians approached a resolution in the 1920s
and 1930s through the theoretical work of geneticists."
> >
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/mutati
onism
> >
> > Mario appears more accurate about history than you.
> Mario is no better at reading than you are, which is not very good,
> apparently. Mendel wasn`t the mutationist, DeVries was. The mutationists
> were indeed Mendelians, and the biometricians were not. But that doesn`t
> mean that Mendel had anything personally to do with mutationism. He
> didn`t. Your quotes make my case, not Mario`s. So thanks.
You have no case, other than to interpret the relevant statements
by Mario as you wished:
" Ok, I figured this out. Definitely 20 years ago it is known
that Genetic Mutation Theory was Mendel`s (at least, this is how this
came to me), but maybe somebody misunderstood it, because it is based on
Mendel`s work."
You may have nitpicked about the claim that the idea of mutations
were based on Mendel`s work, but instead you made it sound like Mario
claimed that Mendel personally came up with the idea of mutation - which
he most certainly does not.
But as usual, you`ll avoid this and continue to play games. But
then you are much better at reading than anyone else on the planet.
> >>>>>>> Now:
> >>>>>>> - BEFORE that I newer heard *anybody* even mention this
> >>>>>>> - DURING the time I was writing about it I didn`t hear anybody even
> >>>>>>> mention this
> >>>>>>> - AFTER that time, even to this days, I never heard *anybody* even
> >>>>>>> mention this
> >>>>>>> Ok. Before I started to write about it you can clearly
> >>>>>>> find "Genetic Mutation Theory" in Wikipedia. Of course, right in
> >>>>>>> the preamble of the article you will clearly see who is the author,
> >>>>>>> written in bold letters, so that everybody can see it clearly,
> >>>>>>> right at the first sight. This also goes for the Big Bang Theory,
> >>>>>>> you will clearly see in the preamble who is the author of it, in
> >>>>>>> bold letters.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don`t believe you. I don`t believe that "Genetic Mutation Theory"
> >>>>>> was ever a Wikipedia article. I certainly don`t know what such an
> >>>>>> article would contain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the previous post I provided a citation, with a whole
> >>>>> bunch of references.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> These days you even cannot find the Genetic Mutation
> >>>>>>> Theory in Wikipedia. You can find Big Bang Theory in Wikipedia, but
> >>>>>>> if you manage to find in this article who is the actually author of
> >>>>>>> it within 20 minutes, I`ll buy you a beer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First sentence of the second paragraph of the Big Bang Theory
> >>>>>> article: "Crucially, these models are compatible with the
> >>>>>> Hubble-Lema?tre law--the observation that the farther away a galaxy
> >>>>>> is, the faster it is moving away from Earth." Under "Development":
> >>>>>> "Independently deriving Friedmann`s equations in 1927, Georges
> >>>>>> Lema?tre, a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest, proposed
> >>>>>> that the recession of the nebulae was due to the expansion of the
> >>>>>> universe."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not sure how you will get my beer to me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh really? No, it is Lemaitre`s theory, it isn`t by somebody
> >>>>> else, or a bunch of people but based on Hubble-Lemaitre something,
> >>>>> how they are twisting it today, it is full blown solely Lemaitre`s
> >>>>> theory. And it isn`t Hubble-Lemaitre`s law, now it is called Hubble`s
> >>>>> law, but actually it was published by Lemaitre, without Hubble. Now
> >>>>> they are twisting this all around these days, trying to somehow
> >>>>> disconnect this theory from Lemaitre, and desperately connect it to
> >>>>> something else. Oh yes, I am insane, lol.
> >>>>
> >>>> I`m beginning to think you are in fact insane. But I guess I won`t get
> >>>> my beer. That`s always a problem when the judge of the challenge is
> >>>> the one who presented it.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Now, science behaves like it never had anything to do with
> >>>>>>> Mendel and his theory, and Harshman even calls me insane.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, science has much to do with Mendel`s theory, but you don`t
> >>>>>> understand what Mendel`s theory is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course, Hrshman behaves also like science never had anything to
> >>>>>>> do with the Genetic Mutation Theory,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No idea what the Genetic Mutation Theory is, but it can`t have
> >>>>>> anything to do with Mendel.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> he behaves like he never heard of it,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes. That`s because I never heard of it, or at least I don`t know
> >>>>>> what you mean by it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and whoever claims that science had something to do with it, he
> >>>>>>> calls him insane.
> >>>>>>> This post talks about human intelligence, talks about
> >>>>>>> learning from books, and talks about science.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This post seems to talk about none of those things.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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