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On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 1:17:55 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-7, Anthony
William Sloman wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:45:32 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:15:34 PM UTC-7,
Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7,
Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM
UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM
UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
> > > > > > > > >
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fir
e-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
> > > > > > > > >
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewabl
e-energy-project/102905302
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
> > > > > > > > They can be pretty bad, huh?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam fire
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since we haven`t got as clue what caused the fire
- for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning
- the fuss about "brand new" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his
deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal operation to
thermal runaway at any moment,
> > > >
> > > > > We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a "lightning strike."
> > > >
> > > > Sewage Sweeper doesn`t want it to have have been caused
by a lightning strike, so he`s happy to claim that it wasn`t. More
objective information may exist but he won`t bother looking for it;
>
> > > Bill makes a FALSE CLAIM that it was caused by lightning
w/o ANY PROOF - typical.
> >
> > I didn`t say it was. I said it might have been. This is
Sewage Sweeper lying, as he does repeatedly.
>
> > > > > > The process by which a battery can move from
normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state
when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where
thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be monitored by
keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it`s surface
temperature.
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said
monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!
> > > >
> > > > If it had monitoring, as I`ve sure it did, it wouldn`t
have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us
that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or
the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that because a battery
fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.
>
> >
>
> > > > > > Any decent battery monitoring system can do that
continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe
by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that
won`t overheat the cells to the region where thermal runaway is likely.
> > > >
> > > > > So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a "decent
battery monitoring system"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing
such an unsafe installation?
> > > >
> > > > It was in Queensland - Australia`s deep north - but it
certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire
get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn`t
actually say anything about the cause of the fire.
> > >
> > > Hey Bozo, your English SUCKS! "The reports didn`t actually
say anything about the cause of the fire" but you have NO PROBLEM
guessing.
>
> > I didn`t do any guessing. I just pointed out that there were
alternative explanations for the fire beyond the one you were touting as your
preferred explanation (even though there was no evidence to support your
preference.
my mouth by pretending to translate them into the message he wants to
see>
> > > > > > It`s a more complicated idea than can be handled by
the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo`s Sewage Sweeper still has
left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.
> > > > >
> > > > > Call Lyin` Biden or yourself "senile", but ALL that I
did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to
make these claims shows YOUR senility.
> > > >
> > > > Your "report" starts with "This complex uses the SAFEST
lithium chemistry: LFP: " which does imply that you blame the fire on the
battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.
> > >
> > > What are you saying, Bozo, that LFP IS NOT the safest
lithium chemistry? I said exactly ZERO about the ignition source, if you
had bothered to actually READ what I wrote.
> >
> > But you did imply that a "safer" battery wouldn`t have caught fire.
>
> > > > You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.
> >
> >
content-free - rhetoric.>
> > if Sewage Sweeper had bothered to read the thread before he
posted his latest stream of pointless abuse he`d have co,me across this
report about an earlier fire in a similar installation.
>
> If YOU had bothered to read the subject report you would have
learned that the first thing they do is to isolate the battery packs on
fire and nearby, thereby eliminating your ridiculous idea of draining the
energy in the battery.
You drain the energy out of the battery before self-discharge gets
it warm enough that there`s an appreciable risk of thermal runaway.
Your mindless rhetoric is all predicated on the idea that a lithium
ion battery can go into thermal runaway without going through the slow
process of developing an increasing level of self-discharge, which is easy
enough to detect if you have an kind of proper battery monitoring.
Your senile brain can`t cope with that kind of complexity, and you
much prefer spouting mindless nonsense about unpredictable catastrophic
failure.
> > ""The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root
cause ofthe fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of
MP-1causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack`s battermodules. This
resulted in heating of the battery module`slithium-ion cells that led to a
propagating thermal runaway event and the fire."
> >
> > Not exactly a lightning strike, but a fault that created a
similar sort of local heating.
my mouth by pretending to translate them into the message he wants to
see>
> Bill`s Sewage Sweeper (And, boy, have I been BUSY!)
First producing the sewage, then spreading it about.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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