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On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:27:43 PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
> On 16/09/2023 1:40 a.m., Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
> >> On 15/09/2023 3:18 a.m., Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:01:07 PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
> >>>> F.W. Hodge, Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico,
Volume 1 (1911)
> >>>> George R.Stewart, Names on the Land (1945)
> >>> Pre-Bloomfield. Feh.
> >> Bloomfield`s Algonquian Sketch (1946) is available online thanks to the
> >> University of Manitoba.
> >>
https://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~oxfordwr/bloomfield1946/
> >> I could not find "Illinois" or "eleniwa" in the text.
> > You would need to know how he spelled it and your search thingy
> > would have to be able to use phonetic characters.
> > Hah! On page 87, etymology #13.
>
> Which reads:
>
> 13 *elenyiwa "man": F ineniwa, C iyiniw, M ?n??niw, O inini.
>
> My search results were negative because (i) he spells it differently
> from how you spelled it; (ii) there is no mention of "Illinois".
Do you deny that it is the etymon of the word that became the name?
> And it`s not "the local word", but a reconstructed form.
Ottawa is a dialect of Ojibway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa dialect
Of Proto-Central Algonquian, i.e. Fox/Cree/Menominee/Ojibway,
and then Hockett did Potawatomi for his dissertation and it fitted
perfectly -- even found a cluster that Bloomfield had had to reconstruct
to account for a correspondence among the four languages.
Eastern Algonquian (New England down to Powhatan) is strikingly
different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algonquian languages
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