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On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:28:58 AM UTC-4, Dean Markley wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:20:12 PM UTC-4,
williamjp...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 7:59:45 AM UTC-4, Dean Markley wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 12:28:23 PM UTC-4,
williamjp...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-5,
Keith Willshaw wrote:
> > > > > On 10/02/2023 18:59,
williamjp...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:44:57 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
> > > > > >> On 10/31/2021 9:12 AM,
williamjp...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 2:09:44 PM UTC-5,
a425couple wrote:
> > > > > >>>> Some interesting reminders here:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> from
https://www.quora.com/How-close-were-Germany-and-Japan-to-developing-their-own-n
uclear-weapons
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >> -----------------------
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Also from Quora:
> > > > > >>>
https://www.quora.com/How-close-was-Germany-to-making-an-atomic-bomb/answer/Will
iam-Pellas
> > > > > >>>
https://www.quora.com/Was-Hitler-ever-thinking-about-dropping-an-atomic-bomb-in-
World-War-II/answer/William-Pellas
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> Dear William,
> > > > > >> I`m glad you are interested in this subject.
> > > > > >> Do you have any thoughts to share?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, thank you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone who is truly interested in WWII Axis WMD
development must keep the following factors in mind.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. The great majority of the most crucial and
revealing documents which describe the true extent of Axis work on WMDs,
especially of the nuclear variety, were highly classified for 50 years or
longer past the end of WWII. Note that I did not say "all" of the most
important documents (and other evidence). There were in fact various parts and
pieces that leaked through the postwar western Allied clampdown on German,
Japanese, and Italian work in the field, but you really had to dig deep and
wide to find those fragments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Many of the most important sites in the Axis
nuclear effort fell to the Soviets at war`s end. The Cold War which
swiftly ensued served to hide or at least greatly obscure these locations
from western observers and scholars.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. The Cold War itself kept most western historians
and public intellectuals focused on the Soviets and the looming threat
of nuclear Armageddon rather than on research to better establish the
true extent and postwar influence of Axis work in the field.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. By far the most important development in WWII
historiography since the end of the Cold War was published online in 2020. This
was Dr. Todd Rider`s immense and extremely thorough book, "Forgotten
Creators". Rider, a former MIT senior staff scientist, spent nearly a decade
and a great deal of his own money to conduct a truly global search
for primary source information about what the Germans (and to a lesser
extent, Japan and Italy) were doing in terms of nuclear weapons R&D. The
results are truly extraordinary and in my opinion will ultimately produce a
revolution and significant alteration of the prevailing historical narrative
about WWII, particularly in the English speaking world. Dr. Rider`s work
is available here:
https://riderinstitute.org/revolutionary-innovation/
> > > > > Far from being clamped down there were several books published, the
> > > > > transcripts of conversations overheard by British
intelligence of German
> > > > > Nuclear scientists were released and the German Nuclear sites such as
> > > > > Haigerloch were thoroughly investigated.
> > > > >
> > > > >
https://history.aip.org/exhibits/heisenberg/farm-hall.html
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line is that typical Nazi fashion Germant had at least 3
> > > > > different projects going on none of which had anything like the
> > > > > resources to get anywhere. In 1945 they tried to build
a nuclear reactor
> > > > > and were fortunate it didnt work as it had no control rods.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS having worked in the British Nuclear Industry at
Harwell and for EdF
> > > > > in Paris I do have some knowledge of this subject.
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> > > >
> > > > All you have done is reiterate the conventional postwar -
Cold War version of events, albeit with slightly more detail than the
usual chorus.
> > > >
> > > > I repeat: the great majority (though not all) of the
most important documentation for a much larger and far more advanced WWII
German nuclear weapons program did NOT appear in public sources until 50
years or longer after the end of the conflict, that is, in 1995 and
later. That means that not one of the books you have read had any of
the information in them that has since been---finally---declassified. Here
are some examples.
> > > >
> > > > Philip Morrison to Robert Furman. The German Reichspost
and Nuclear Research. 24 April 1944. [NARA RG 77, Entry UD-22A, Box
170, Folder 32.60-1 GERMANY: Summary Reports (1944)]
> > > >
> > > > We now have three independent pieces of evidence that the
Reichspost is interested in neutron research or wishes us to think that:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Several years ago M. von Ardenne thanked the
Reichspost minister, a man named Ohnesorge, for supporting the entrance of von
Ardenne`s laboratory into work in nuclear physics.
> > > >
> > > > 2) In October 1943 (Naturwissenschaften, 31, p. 507) a
man, otherwise unknown to us, named D. Lyons, published a mathematical
letter on the slowing down of neutrons in homogeneous mixtures. The
material of the letter is rather similar to much work done in the early
days of this project and also in the published sources. Lyons rather
ostentatiously signs his letter as coming from the Office for Special Physical
Questions of the Research Division of the German Reichspost (Amt f?ur
physikalische Sonderfragen der Forschungsanstalt der Deutschen Reichspost) located in
Berlin-Tempelhof.
> > > >
> > > > 3) The information from Swiss sources which you showed us
this week mentioned that S. Flugge has left Hahn to go to work for the
Reichspost.
> > > >
> > > > It will be clear to you that there is something rather
odd in this affair of the Reichspost`s becoming interested in a field
so very far from the radio and telephone research they have carried
out in the past. It is equally strange that we learn about it in such
a direct way as from Lyons` note, but confirm it in the rather
indirect way of (1) and (3) above. I would suggest that you formulate
inquiries about the activity of the Reichspost in the Tempelhof laboratories
to whoever will know most about that outfit.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Philip Morrison and Karl Cohen. 31 July 1944. Appraisal
of Enemy Bomb Production. [NARA RG 77, Entry UD-22A, Box 168, Folder
203.11--Tech. Countermeasures + RW--1943-1944]
> > > >
> > > > APPRAISAL OF ENEMY BOMB PRODUCTION
> > > >
> > > > Summary
> > > >
> > > > Recent evidence essentially confirms our earlier general
statements on enemy bomb production. The reports now at hand lead us to
conclude:
> > > >
> > > > 1. A German "Y" project has been underway since early 1943.
> > > >
> > > > 2. A D2O pile is in operation, but we do not believe
that this is on production level.
> > > >
> > > > 3. It is implied that a separation method is operating
at a production level, for it is surely improbable that the enemy will
organize a utilization group without something to use.
> > > >
> > > > We include a time schedule, and a technical discuss of
the probable means employed.
> > > >
> > > > Enemy production of devices can be as high as:
> > > >
> > > > 1. 1 device every 3 months--on the assumption that 30 kg
of material are required per device.
> > > >
> > > > 2. 1 device every month--on the assumption that 10 kg of
material are required per device.
> > > >
> > > > In either case the first completed device could be in enemy hands now.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > C.S.D.I.C. (U.K.) S.R.G.G. 1118. [Recorded conversation of
two German prisoners of war held in the United Kingdom. AFHRA A5415
electronic pp. 284-285] M 159--General der Panzertruppen Von THOMA (GOC German
AFRIKORPS) Captd MIDDLE EAST 4 Nov 42 CS/981 Generalleutnant KITTEL (Comd. METZ
and Comd. 462 Volksgren. Div.) Captd METZ 22 Nov 44
> > > >
> > > > Information received: 10 Jan 1945
> > > >
> > > > TRANSLATION
> > > >
> > > > KITTEL: (Re atom bomb). It`s a perfectly horrible thing.
> > > >
> > > > THOMA: A technical man has written about it, saying the
problem has been completely solved theoretically, but that the process can`t
be controlled(?).
> > > >
> > > > KITTEL: That`s the question. At the passing-out parade of
an officer`s course the FUHRER--I ? sent for one of the officers
personally, for they were the ones who were at METZ--
> > > >
> > > > THOMA: He`s lying. There`s absolutely no such thing as
the atom business.
> > > >
> > > > KITTEL: Unfortunately there is.
> > > >
> > > > THOMA: Then he would have used it long ago.
> > > >
> > > > KITTEL: No; he isn`t using it, because the others have
promised to retaliate with chemical warfare. [...]
> > > >
> > > > THOMA: But there`s no such thing as an atom bomb.
> > > >
> > > > KITTEL: The experiments with it are carried out on
BORNHOLM; the island has been evacuated and no-one may enter or leave the
place.
> > > >
> > > > THOMA: What do they do there?
> > > >
> > > > KITTEL: They carry out their experiments there. Apparently
they`ve got another trump card up their sleeve.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > C.S.D.I.C. (U.K.) S.R.G.G. 1163(C). [Recorded conversation
of two German prisoners of war held in the United Kingdom. AFHRA A5415
electronic pp. 84-85] CS/1948--Generalleutnant BOINEBURG (Comd., BERGEN (HANNOVER))
Captd ALLSTADT 13 Apr 45 CS/1963--Generalmajor FRANZ (Comd., 256 V.G. Div.)
Captured BIRNFELD 8 Apr 45 CS/1965--Generalmajor GOERBIG (Comd., SENNE,
Captured BAD GRUND 10 Apr 45
> > > >
> > > > Information received: 29 Apr 1945
> > > >
> > > > TRANSLATION (?)
> > > >
> > > > FRANZ: I hope HIMMLER doesn`t fire V-6 or V-7. (?)
> > > >
> > > > GOERBIG: Do you really think we still have something up
our sleeves? (?)
> > > >
> > > > FRANZ: Yes, I believe so most definitely. I mean to say
it wasn`t ready; they hadn`t advanced far enough to be brought into
use. But I`m certain that a lot of experiments were in progress; it is
a fact that some of those projectiles could be fired as far as NEW
YORK or elsewhere. (?)
> > > >
> > > > GOERBIG: Did you get that from a reliable source? (?)
> > > >
> > > > FRANZ: I know that for certain. (?)
> > > >
> > > > GOERBIG: With what effect? (?)
> > > >
> > > > FRANZ: With a colossal explosive effect, a strong
detonation which really would wipe out everything within a radius of 2 or 3
km. However, the thing isn`t ready for immediate use yet. They couldn`t
make any progress, but next time they will and next time a thing like
this starts it`ll be ghastly. If HIMMLER and his faithful followers turn
up one day with all the patents etc., with a sample, it will not be
viewed with displeasure by STALIN. There is a risk of HIMMLER betraying
the V-weapon preparations to the Russians: "Here are half-completed
inventions which will give you great power. You can have them on such and
such conditions."
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Edmund Tilley. Brief Operational Report on [censored] and
Other Germans and Italians Connected with Project Abstract. 19 August 1947.
NARA RG 319, Entry A1-134A, Box 29, Folder Operation Oberjoch:
> > > >
> > > > 25. Prof. Dr. NIELS [Walter Nielsch?], now said to be in
the United States, was, according to [censored,] concerned with chemical
and atomic problems at TUCHELER HEIDE and produced a number of atomic
bombs, weighing from 1 to 5 kilograms. NIELS should be traced and
questioned in detail.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > General Ivan Ilyichev. 15 November 1944. Intelligence
report to General Antonov and Joseph Stalin. Archive of the President of
the Russian Federation, 93-81 (45) 37.
> > > >
> > > > Peoples` Commissariat of Defense of the USSR
> > > > Chief Intelligence Department of the Red Army
> > > > 15 November 1944 Moscow
> > > >
> > > > To the Head of the Red Army General HQ General of the
Army, Comrade Antonov
> > > >
> > > > Report:
> > > >
> > > > Our trustworthy source in Germany reports: "The Germans
are preparing to conduct tests of a new secret weapon, which has a
large destructive power. The test explosion of a bomb of unusual
construction is being prepared under highest secrecy in Thuringia. For the
preparations of the tests the local residents are supposed to be transported
away by an SS detail; the whole operation is reported to be undertaken
in strictest secrecy. The explosions are supposed to take place in a
wooded area. For that, special roads to the presumptive test site are
being created. The bomb to be tested has a diameter of one and a half
meters. It consists of several hollow spheres that nest inside each other.
It will be brought to the explosion place with a transporter specially
constructed for it. It is still unclear when the test is supposed to take
place, but the preparations are going at the maximum fastest pace.
> > > >
> > > > CONCLUSION. In the last months our source has reported
more and more often about the feverish efforts of the Germans to test
ever more powerful weapons and their means of delivery. Probably these
experiments lead directly to an attempt of the Germans to actually carry out
tests of atom bombs, about whose existence we have only incomplete, scanty
information."
> > > >
> > > > Head of Chief Intelligence Department of the Red Army
Lieutenant General Ilyichev
> > > >
> > > > Typed 4 copies
> > > >
> > > > Copy Nr. 1 -- Comrade Stalin Nr. 2 -- Comrade Molotov
Nr. 3 -- Comrade Antonov Nr. 4 -- into archive
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > General Ivan Ilyichev. 23 March 1945. Intelligence report
to General Antonov and Joseph Stalin. Archive of the President of the
Russian Federation, 93-81 (45) 37.
> > > >
> > > > Peoples` Commissariat of Defense of the USSR
> > > > Chief Intelligence Department of the Red Army
> > > > [2]3 March 1945
> > > > Moscow
> > > > To the Head of the Red Army General HQ
> > > > General of the Army, Comrade Antonov
> > > >
> > > > Report:
> > > >
> > > > Our trustworthy source from Germany reports:
> > > >
> > > > "The Germans have in recent times carried out two
large-capacity bomb explosions in Thuringia. The explosions took place in a forest
area, under conditions of strictest secrecy. Trees fell at a distance of
500-600 meters from the center of the explosion. Buildings and fortifications
specially constructed for the tests have been destroyed.
> > > >
> > > > Prisoners of war who were near the epicenter of the
explosion died, often without leaving a trace. Prisoners of war who were in
the area beyond the center of the explosion have burns on their face
and body, the strength of which depends on their position in relation
to the epicenter of the explosion. The tests were carried out in a
remote deserted area. The regime of secrecy at the test site was at
maximum level. Entrance and exit from the territory are by special pass
only. SS soldiers have surrounded the area of tests and interrogated any
person approaching the area.
> > > >
> > > > The bomb, supposedly filled with uranium 235 and weighing
approximately two tons, was brought to the test site on a specially constructed
truck. Dewars of liquid oxygen were delivered together with it. The bomb
was permanently guarded by 20 guards with dogs. The bomb explosion was
accompanied by a large explosive wave and high temperature. In addition, a
massive radioactive effect was observed. The bomb is a sphere with a
diameter of 130 cm.
> > > >
> > > > The bomb consists of:
> > > > 1. High-voltage discharge tube, which is charged by special generators
> > > > 2. A sphere made of metal uranium 235
> > > > 3. A delay mechanism
> > > > 4. Protective casing
> > > > 5. Explosive substance
> > > > 6. Detonating mechanism
> > > > 7. Steel casing
> > > > All parts of the bomb fit inside each other.
> > > >
> > > > Initiator or bomb fuse.
> > > >
> > > > Consists of a special tube, which creates fast neutrons.
It is charged by special generators, which create high voltage inside
the tube. As a result, fast neutrons attack active material.
> > > >
> > > > Active bomb material.
> > > >
> > > > Active bomb material is uranium 235. It represents a
sphere with an opening into which an initiator is inserted. Once this is
done, the opening is sealed by a cork made of uranium 235.
> > > >
> > > > Protective casing.
> > > >
> > > > The uranium sphere is encased in a protective aluminum
casing, which is covered by a layer of cadmium. This significantly slows
down thermal neutrons emanating from uranium 235, which can cause
premature detonation.
> > > >
> > > > Explosive matter.
> > > >
> > > > After the layer of cadmium it is placed inside explosives
that consist of porous TNT saturated with liquid oxygen; TNT is made up
of bars of a specially chosen shape. The inner surface of the bars
has a spherical curvature, which is the same as that of the external
surface of the cadmium layer. Each of the bars is supplied with one
detonator or two electrical fuses.
> > > >
> > > > Casing.
> > > >
> > > > TNT is covered by a protective layer made of a light
aluminum alloy. A blasting mechanism is attached on top of this casing.
> > > >
> > > > Exterior casing.
> > > >
> > > > An exterior casing of armored steel is installed above
the blasting mechanism.
> > > >
> > > > Fairing.
> > > >
> > > > A fairing made of a light alloy can be installed on top
of the armored casing for future installation on a rocket of the
V-type.
> > > >
> > > > Bomb assembly.
> > > >
> > > > The sphere, which consists of metal uranium, is placed
inside a protective casing, which consists of aluminum, covered in a layer
of cadmium, so that the opening in the sphere coinciding with the
opening is sealed off by a uranium cork. After this the aluminum sphere,
covered in cadmium, is sealed off by a cork, on top of which the last
bar of TNT is placed. Next, liquid oxygen is pumped through the opening
inside a protective casing, which covers the TNT. After this the bomb is
ready for deployment.
> > > >
> > > > Bomb ignition.
> > > >
> > > > The bomb ignition is carried out with the help of a
high-voltage discharge tube. It forms a flow of neutrons, which attack the
active material. When the flow of neutrons impacts upon uranium, element 93
fissions, which speeds up the creation of a chain reaction Next, the
detonating mechanism detonates the explosive matter, after which a shock from
the explosion of the external layer of TNT mixed with liquid oxygen
takes place, which is directed toward the center. This allows the uranium
to reach a critical mass.
> > > >
> > > > Ahead of this, before the explosion, the uranium sphere
is irradiated with gamma-rays, the energy of which does not exceed 6
million electron volts, which many times increases its explosive qualities.
> > > >
> > > > CONCLUSION.
> > > >
> > > > Without doubt, the Germans are carrying out tests of a
bomb of high destructive force. In the event of their successful
conclusion and production of such bombs in sufficient quantities, they will
have weapons capable of slowing down our advance.
> > > >
> > > > Head of Chief Intelligence Department of the Red Army
> > > > Lieutenant General Ilyichev
> > > > Typed 4 copies
> > > > Copy Nr. 1 -- Comrade Stalin
> > > > " Nr. 2 -- Comrade Molotov
> > > > " Nr. 3 -- Comrade Antonov
> > > > " Nr. 4 -- into archive
> > > > 16 pp.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > HQ CIC, USFET, Region Munich IV, Munich Sub-Regional
Office, 25 April 1946. Subject: Wilhelm Voss. Declassified 2006 [NARA RG
263, Entry ZZ-18, Box 133, File Voss, Friedrich Wilhelm].
> > > >
> > > > 1. Dr. Wilhelm VOSS reported to this office 24 April
1946. Subject was the director of the Skoda Works and Bruenner Waffenwerke
in Prague, Czechoslovakia from 1939-1945. Subject claims that he has
valuable information on atom bomb research in Germany. He also states that
he has infor mation on a new type torpedo which is radar controlled
and leave no trace in water.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Dr. Wilhelm VOSS was born 1 July 1896 in Rostock,
Mecklenburg. [...] He was one of the founders of Reichswerke Hermann Goering and
in 1938 became its commercial director. In 1939 VOSS was appointed
director of Skoda and Bruenner Waffenwerke by Goering.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Subject states that the two men that were responsible
for research on the most secret weapons at Skoda were SS Gruppenfuehrer
Prof. KAMMLER and his deputy SS Oberfuehrer PURUCKER. On the 10 May 1945
VOSS and PURUCKER were in Schimelitz, fleeing in the direction of the
American troops. PURUCKER was driving a large civilian car which contained
many of the plans on the atom bomb. This car plus material fell into
the hands of the Russians, and VOSS was separated from PURUCKER. VOSS
at present does not know where PURUCKER is located.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > There are literally hundreds more additional documents that
say the same and similar as the ones you just read, and probably more
like thousands. PS Here are a couple of provocative public statements /
writings made by well known Allied high commanders that should have caused
historians and students of the conflict to question the official line.
> > > >
> > > > Dwight D. Eisenhower. 1948. Crusade in Europe. Ch. 13-14,
pp. 229, 258-260.
> > > >
> > > > "Alarming Intelligence reports concerning the progress of
the Germans in developing new long-range weapons of great destructive
capacity also indicated the advisability of attacking [launching D-Day] early.
From time to time during the spring [1944] months staff officers from
Washington arrived at my headquarters to give me the latest calculations
concerning German progress in the development of new weapons, including as
possibilities bacteriological and atomic weapons. These reports were highly secret
and were invariably delivered to me by word of mouth. I was told that
American scientists were making progress in these two important types and
that as a result of their own experience they were able to make shrewd
guesses concerning some of the details of similar German activity. All of
this information was supplemented by the periodic reports of Intelligence
agencies in London. In addition, aerial photographs were scrutinized with the
greatest care in order to discover new installations that would apparently be
useful only in some new kind of warfare. The finest scientific brains in
both Britain and America were called upon to help us in evaluation and
in making estimates of probabilities. Our only effective counteraction,
during the preparatory months of 1944, was by bombing. We sent intermittent
raids against every spot in Europe where the scientists believed that the
Germans were attempting either to manufacture new types of weapons or where
they were building launching facilities along the coast. During this long
period the calculations of the Intelligence agencies were necessarily based
upon very meager information and as a consequence they shifted from time
to time in their estimates of German progress. Nevertheless, before we
launched the invasion, Intelligence experts were able to give us remarkably
accurate estimates of the existence, characteristics, and capabilities of the
new German weapons."
> > > >
> > > > General George C. Marshall. 1 September 1945 (publicly
released 10 October 1945). Third and Final Biennial Report to the Secretary
of War. In George C. Marshall. 1996.
> > > > Biennial Reports of the Chief of Staff of the United
States Army to the Secretary of War: 1 July 1939 - 30 June 1945.
Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing
> > > > Office. pp. 132, 210.
[history.army.mil/html/books/070/70-57/CMH Pub 70-57.pdf ]
> > > >
> > > > Victory in this global war depended on the successful
execution of OVERLORD. That must not fail. Yet the Japanese could not be
permitted meanwhile to entrench in their stolen empire, and China must not be
allowed to fall victim to further Japanese assaults. Allied resources were
searched through again and again, and strategy reconsidered in the light of
the deficiencies. These conclusions seemed inescapable: France must be
invaded in 1944, to shorten the war by facilitating the advance
> > > > westward of the Soviet forces. At the same time German
technological advances such as in the development of atomic explosives made it
imperative that we attack before these terrible weapons could be turned against
us. In addition, the pressure on the Japanese in the Pacific must not
be relaxed. Communications with China must be reopened. Resources were
allocated accordingly. The balance was extremely delicate but we had to go
ahead. [...]
> > > >
> > > > Between Germany and America in 1914 and again in 1939
stood Great Britain and the USSR, France, Poland, and the other countries
of Europe. Because the technique of destruction had not progressed to
its present peak, these nations had to be eliminated and the Atlantic
Ocean crossed by ships before our factories could be brought within the
range of the enemy guns. At the close ofthe German war in Europe they
were just on the outer fringes of the range of fire from an enemy in
Europe. Goering stated after his capture that it was a certainty the
eastern American cities would have been under rocket bombardment had Germany
remained undefeated for two more years. The first attacks would have started
much sooner. The technique of war has brought the United States, its
homes and factories into the front line of world conflict. They escaped
destructive bombardment in the second World War. They would not in a third.
> >
> >
> > > Someone clearly spent a good bit of time mixing fact and
fiction here to make it seem as if the nazis were hyper-advanced supermen.
The bit about porous TNT soaked in liquid oxygen is fantasy.
> > >
> > > Dean
> > There is zero interest in Nazis being "hyper-advanced supermen".
They were, however, considerably further down the road to advanced nuclear
weapons than were the Allies. The top Soviet atomic scientist of that era,
Igor Kurchatov, wrote a letter to the Soviet GRU and other high
muckety-mucks in which he described the design details in Ivan Ilyichev`s original
report as "very credible". A number of modern researchers long ago reached
the conclusion that the GRU reports are genuine.
> The nazis were definitely not "further down the road to advanced
nuclear weapons than the Allies". That is a disingenuous statement for two
reasons: First, it is obvious from history that the Allies had the weapons
and the nazies did not. Secondly, the long spiel leading up to that
statement is a rehash of long disproved lies made up and spread by nazi
fanboys.
>
> Dean
It is NOT obvious, Dean-o. Which you would know if you had
actually done any reading outside of Wikipedia and---perhaps---one or two
popular histories written during the Cold War. I would ask how it is that
you ahem, "know" that every one of the entirely legitimate primary
sources I posted above (and there are many hundreds more like them, by the
way) are quote, a rehash of long disproved lies made up and spread by
nazi fanboys, unquote, but I`m not going to bother. The mere fact that
you are willing to stoop to slander like that when you have zero
knowledge about me and even less about the topic at hand is all the proof
I need about you. Adios.
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