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On 2023-09-12 19:42, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 12.09.2023 um 09:25:36 Uhr schrieb Mike Easter:
>
>> Marco Moock wrote:
>>> Mike Easter:
>>>> Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>> I agree that this is a penalty to the ISP/hoster, although there
>>>>> is no other way for them to learn that the need to do something
>>>>> against spammers.
>>>>
>>>> I don`t think a strategy designed to `teach` an enterprise/business
>>>> something at the cost of using `innocent victim users` as some kind
>>>> of fodder in an anti-spam war is a particularly good strategy.
>>>
>>> How would you make ISPs care about abuse in their network?
>>>
>> `network` is an ambiguous term here.
>>
>> Even `netblock` would be ambiguous. Here we are talking about UCEP
>> `recklessly` listing *huge* ASNs in its level 3, and *THEN* its
>> ill-informed clients configure to block such a recklessly listed ASN
>> which `broadly speaking` isn`t guilty of spam at all.
>
> It is true that the entire AS isn`t guilty, but there are ISPs that
> like spammers. They let them send spam and don`t care about it.
> The individual IPs get listed. The the spammer notices that and wants
> another IP, the ISP gives it. The it is getting listed again. If that
> happens too often, the entire AS will be listed.
>
> ISP that cooperate with spammers are bad actors and most people don`t
> want them.
Wrong.
Most people don`t have a say on this. I don`t.
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