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On 9/30/2023 8:41 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:50:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <
cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not saying you would but piss poor statistical manipulation by
some New York Study claiming that helmets save lives is simply not true
regardless of their claims. Helmets reduce minor injuries. This does of course
SUGGEST that a helmet might very occasionally save a life but studies like
you noted were designed to mandate helmets as being necessary for the
safety of riders.
>
> Tell us Tom, how do you know that the New York study was wrong? Do you
> have any data? Or is it simply your imagination?
>
> I ask as I read the N.Y. statistics to say that:
>
> Almost three-quarters of fatal crashes (74%) involved a head injury.
>
> Nearly all bicyclists who died (97%) were not wearing a helmet.
>
> Helmet use among those bicyclists with serious injuries was low (13%),
> but it was even lower among bicyclists killed (3%).
Some data:
https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/bicycle-crash-data-report-2022.pdf
Far more pedestrians than bicyclists die annually in NYC. In 2022 it was
115 vs. 15, more than seven times as many. And roughly zero pedestrians
wear helmets. Oddly, nobody even scolds them about it!
The helmet scolding is an example of discrimination against cyclists and
cycling. It`s so common that even (purported) cyclists do it to other
cyclists. It`s weird.
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