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On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:57:09 AM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 12:38:59 AM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
> > On 24/09/2023 2:13 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 4:12:15 PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
> > >> On 24/09/2023 7:51 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-4, Tim Lang wrote:
> > >>>> On 23.09.2023 05:47, Daud Deden wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-4, Ruud
Harmsen wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Wed, 20 Sep 2023 07:53:32 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> > >>>>>> <
daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> > >>>>>>> German: immer (room is zimmer)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> German "immer" means always, and Zimmer has nothing to do with it.
> > >>>>>> Are you confusing this with the English word "inner", or with the
> > >>>>>> German word "innen"?
> > >>>> BTW: inner is German as well; e.g. innerhalb (which in Swiss
> > >>>> German (a.k.a. Alemanian) is also called innert, roughly meaning
> > >>>> "during"); Innerei,-en ("innards, viscera"); Inneres.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ("interior; inside; inner")
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Example for the usage of German Innen- and Inner- in "interior
> > >>>> ministry / dept. of domestic affairs": Innenministerium and
> > >>>> also Ministerium f?r innere Angelegenheiten; Ministerium des
> > >>>> Innern; Ministerium f?r Inneres. And there is a third synonym
> > >>>> used in certain circumstances: binnen. E.g. Binnenwirtschaft
> > >>>> "home/domestic economy"; Binnenschifffahrt etc all in the
> > >>>> sense of "interior/home". In low German binnen un buten means
> > >>>> in standard German innen & aussen/aussen. (Compare Dutch binnen
> > >>>> & buiten.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> tv section of the channel Radio Bremen
> > >>>> (the region is part of the area of the low German dialects)
> > >>>> <
https://www.butenunbinnen.de/>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> *
> > >>>>
> > >>>> immer ("always") and Zimmer (room, chamber) aren`t akin.
> > >>>> Immer is assumed to have been from thecombination je + mehr
> > >>>> (in the forms of the "old high German" era of German).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Zimmer had (in the old high German era) its inception as zimbar, akin
> > >>>> to English timber (and having this meaning, i.e., timber/lumber).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> (Zimmer - by meaning and form - might seem akin to
chamber < Fr. chambre
> > >>>> < Lat. camera "arched roof" < Greek kamara "vault". But it seems that
> > >>>> there was no kamara <=> zimbar link, although both referred to aspects
> > >>>> of house constructions or structures.)
> > >>>>> No, immerse @Egl via LLtn immersioner, to dip into,
which would appear
> > >>>>> to fit with zimmer. >But not in this case. Thanks for checking.
> > >>>> It can`t, since there is no word *immer- here, but the preposition
> > >>>> in + the verb mergere => immergere, immersus est => ... French/Engl
> > >>>> immers- (-e; -ion).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tim
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>> Zimbar ~ barrel-like? ~ chamber of staves/sticks/saplings
> > >>> Kamar @Mly: room (via Hindi or Persian?)
> > >>> Kamara @Grk: vault
> > >>>
> > >>> (Pieces fit together to make) a barrel/chamber/ark/basket/tub
> > >>> Couple, zuber-zimbar, teba-gopher-kohvar-kufa(rigolu)
> > >>> Xyuambuatl chamber(ed), wamba(ll)/(wom)bel(l/t/le/ly), zimbar
> > >>>
> > >>> I`m not entirely rejecting immer & zimmer linkage:
> > >>>
> > >>> Immer = always ~ all ways around (360°) a dome hut (inside?)
> > >>> Umwelt = surrounding environment (outside?)
> > >>> (Xyuam)buatl birth/vault/bottle
> > >>>
> > >>> Innate, inert opposites of ate, ert?
> > >>>
> > >>> DD
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Innate < Lat inn?tus `inborn` < in- (inside) + n?tus `born` (ultimately
> > >> from the prolific *gen- root)
> > >>
> > >> Inert < Lat iners, inert- `unskilful, inactive, idle` < in- (not) + art-
> > >> (ars, art- `skill, occupation etc.`)
> > >
> > > Thanks. I didn`t know innate linked to natal, nor inert to art.
> > >
> > > Seems that in- (inside) is ancient via en(du/do) and ante-
{pre-gn-ant before birth in?}
> > > while in- (not) is more recent derived from anti-, perhaps
from a different dialect source.
> > >
> > In- (not) is just [n?] (syllabic n), which becomes Latin in-, Germanic
> > un-, Greek and Sanskrit a-. It`s the minimal form of *ne, from whence
> > come all those negative n- words in IE languages.
> Thanks. Then there`s the im- which negates, I guess a variant of in-.
> And special cases, such as unmeasurable & immeasurable, probably
reflecting recent dialect differentiation & specializations.
>
> In Malay, tidak = no, bukan = not so.
> In Mandarin, good, not good, very good = hau, bu hau, hung hau.
One could attempt a paleo-reconstruction, though sample source size is tiny:
Not, negate (xy)UAMBUA(tl) ~ Vm/bV- > VnV-, im- > in-, n?, un-,
a(m)-, bu, bu(k)a(n), ope(n), oppo(-nent, -site) where po- = put, set,
make, bua(-t/-ng/-h) @Mly: make-born/eject/fruit) cf bu(ng)a @Mly: flower.
(Bu?a > bunga, bukan, buka (open))
So Vm-/Vne- @IE ~ bu(a)- @Chn, Mly ~ open/oppose (arms/petals out);
image (body vs antibody), superimpose, c.opy, even in photo `negatives`.
What is the root word of opposite?
The word has Latin roots, from op, "in front of," and ponere, "to
put" -- think about putting something up against something else. Related
words are opponent, "the person you`re up against in a game," and oppose,
"to disagree." Definitions of opposite. adjective. being directly across
from each other; facing.
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